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They absolutely are influenced by outside factors, be it managers with a track record of blaming bad results on the officials (i.e. Ferguson, Mourinho, Arteta) or being the focus of several days worth of discourse, and of course given the pundit class is mainly made made up of ex-man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal players that is going to play a part
Look at Carragher handwaving away van Dijk's foul on Richy yesterday for example, yet if the same foul happened at the other end he'd have been howling for PGMOL to replay the match
Of course refs are affected and Influenced by external factors.
If you hear it straight out of the horse's mouth, for example Clattenburg admitting it during the Lesta season then I'd say it's naive on the part of anyone who thinks it's not something that happens with many/some refs.
Don't need to wait till they admit it 5 years later or when they retire and want to sell a book.
If you hear it straight out of the horse's mouth, for example Clattenburg admitting it during the Lesta season then I'd say it's naive on the part of anyone who thinks it's not something that happens with many/some refs.
Don't need to wait till they admit it 5 years later or when they retire and want to sell a book.
Refs constantly try to make the whole thing a spectacle about themselves.
Look at Tierney standing in the middle of the Chelsea huddle before kick off. He knew exactly what he was doing. Even gives a few glances at the camera to get a sense of where it was, then spent the remainder of the huddle trying to engage the most high profile player there (Palmer) in a staring competition.
Look at Tierney standing in the middle of the Chelsea huddle before kick off. He knew exactly what he was doing. Even gives a few glances at the camera to get a sense of where it was, then spent the remainder of the huddle trying to engage the most high profile player there (Palmer) in a staring competition.
The "concept" is very simple.
ANY infringement by a player that would result
in a foul anywhere on the pitch, but occurs in the
box, results in a penalty kick.
Be puritan or be loose, no issue. But be CONSISTENT.
I think they are affected by the money which is from TV that is represented by pundits. The FA I assume will advise the refs and the refs will discuss how best to meet the requirements of their employers. The framework of decision making will be laid out and seems to vary each season as they famously (learn lessons) from the previous season plus this seasons 'improvements'. We see this constant tinkering with the game and this IMO is driven by pundits, in essence TV money.
If they are then they need to do better.
I still disagree they are though and don’t think the ref thinks I better give this or not give this as Jamie Carragher will talk about it.
Yeah Chelsea have been doing it there since Rosenior took over so I don’t get why the ref was stood in that exact spot.
He’s come off looking a bit of a wally imo.
So a performative ref interjecting himself into a
pointless performative act by players.
Referees are a very odd breed: far too many of them love being the centre of attention during matches, yet really don't want to be the centre of attention after matches
Best way to avoid being the centre of attention after matches? Don't incur the wrath of managers who will make your performance the story over their teams' performance, or incur the wrath of pundits whose bias is blatant yet never seems to be challenged by the other pundits
Personally I think the PL would benefit from having ex-pros both as on pitch officials and VAR assessors. Maybe ideally from other European leagues.
The current officials have never played the game at that level - or anything close - so they might know the rules (questionable) but certainly don't understand how to break them ....
Would also offer players the opportunity to stay connected to the game (despite the fact that most are made for life after their short playing) careers.
The current officials have never played the game at that level - or anything close - so they might know the rules (questionable) but certainly don't understand how to break them ....
Would also offer players the opportunity to stay connected to the game (despite the fact that most are made for life after their short playing) careers.
They probably can't afford them
Seriously, it makes sense although I would still prefer no VAR at all. Electronics for lines ok but the rest is opinion anyway. Offside, Wenger is right for me 'clear daylight'.
Consistency is very easy, when you stick to it.
For example, in WC 2018 when the edict came down
that penalty box judo was not going to be tolerated.
You got the mass of initial group stage games where
the penalties awarded came thick and fast
(England I recall were serious beneficiaries) .
The teams soon got the message that nobody
was going to escape.
The whole point of penalties is to try to stop foul play in the most crucial area of the pitch. If you do not enforce it because the outcome is serious then do not be surprised when you get outcomes like we have now. Free for alls in corners and long throws. Holding, pulling, pushing and generally obstructing. Enforce the laws give penalties and suddenly this all stops.
EXAMPLE:
Van Dyke prevents Richarlison kicking a goal by holding and pushing. We can't penalise it because it would be a penalty and that's serious. So it's ok to prevent Richarlison from scoring with foul play.
So it's clearly ok to fight in the box.
EXAMPLE:
Van Dyke prevents Richarlison kicking a goal by holding and pushing. We can't penalise it because it would be a penalty and that's serious. So it's ok to prevent Richarlison from scoring with foul play.
So it's clearly ok to fight in the box.
Just a thought: have an ex-pro exchange with the Scottish leagues
Of course, there is the risk the ex-Celtic players would side with Liverpool on certain decisions...
Yeah that would be an even more controversial idea. I think it’s fine how it is but the officials need more help and training
Hence my comment about from alternative leagues.
Yes they could certainly be accused of bias, but at least those connections would be known in advance - unlike now where it is all in the shadows....