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[KingHotspur]

That analysis is excellent.
The more that you watch the disaster unfold, it's fair to say, that while an unfortunate slip, the first goal was almost totally attributable to the odd pitch surface. As such the keeper should be excused. The evidence for that is clear in the slips and falls of many other players.
He was certainly not to blame for the 2nd goal, which came from VDV's slip - although fewer are making anything of this.
The 3rd is 100% down to his error - but when seen in conjunction with the previous incidents, the commentary above makes sense: he was over-compensating for what happened earlier.

The bottom line is for me that, whilst I can possibly make a case for Tudor changing keepers maybe at half time after assessing the lads state of mind (after all, for a start he may have then gone on to redeem himself over the next 30 minutes), doing it when he did was wrong and his appalling lack of basic human compassion in the moment is a huge red flag for me.

I hope against hope that Kinsky bounces back and gets another chance.

I hope against hope that Tudor gets his contract cancelled and gets booted out the door ASAP.

In that situation do you put the team first or the keeper first?

Tudor has many faults but I don’t think he was wrong to make a change so soon. It could have been even worse by half time.

Kinsky will be fine anyway, harsh lesson learnt but he’s young and if he’s got anything about him then he’ll learn from it, if not and his mentality is shot by one situation then he’s probably in the wrong game.

He’s not a PL level keeper anyway (knew that before the other day) but maybe a move back home to rebuild his career at a lower level would be the right move for everyone.

 

[KingHotspur]

I agree that Tudor is nowhere near the right person for the job because we need a motivator currently. But I doubt Redknapp too. Ryan Mason or Robbie Keane would be my choices

Why would you pick Mason over Harry for a short term appointment?

Mason was awful at West Brom

 

[vimhawk]

Tudor has many faults but I don’t think he was wrong to make a change so soon. It could have been even worse by half time.

I agree. I don't think it was right to play him, but after what happened goodness knows what might have transpired. He just couldn't take the chance. I don't agree with much about Tudor, but this was the right thing to do as harsh as it appeared.

Incidentally, I wonder if Kinsky could have done better at saving the first goal?

 

[Citizen Kane.]

All good stuff but I wasn't saying that football and investment were in any way similar. I was saying that finding the people to do the important jobs was equally difficult.
I agree entirely about the sort of coach we need.
Arsenal's squad is currently about as valuable as Man City's and more valuable than Liverpool's. They don't actually need to bend the rules to win.

Again, don't confuse cost for value.

On paper Arsenal routinely sign players who aren't as impressive as City and Liverpool.

Wirtz on paper is significantly better than Eze.
No one could have predicted how much Isaak would struggle, but by the same token would anyone have taken Gyokeres over him if given the choice? I doubt it.

 

[SarrMan]

Loads of rumours doing the rounds today so doesn’t look like Tudor has long left.

Dyche the latest but will he do just to end of season though? If we do stay up then don’t want us really committing to him long term although may be well placed to get us straight back up.

I still think Redknapp with a mason or Defoe just for a few footballing bits. I still think all it needs is a bit of man management, find some confidence and we’ll see the players perform to the levels they should be at which is Redknapp’s strength. The training pitch stuff can be left to the younger coaches.

I think if levy was still here we’d have Redknapp in already post Frank. Do the guys upstairs now even have an idea who he is?

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

Loads of rumours doing the rounds today so doesn’t look like Tudor has long left.

Dyche the latest but will he do just to end of season though? If we do stay up then don’t want us really committing to him long term although may be well placed to get us straight back up.

I still think Redknapp with a mason or Defoe just for a few footballing bits. I still think all it needs is a bit of man management, find some confidence and we’ll see the players perform to the levels they should be at which is Redknapp’s strength. The training pitch stuff can be left to the younger coaches.

I think if levy was still here we’d have Redknapp in already post Frank. Do the guys upstairs now even have an idea who he is?

‘Arry’s busy this week.
Jukebox Man running in the Cheltenham Gold Cup - has a decent chance too with Galopin des Champs not there

 

[SarrMan]

‘Arry’s busy this week.
Jukebox Man running in the Cheltenham Gold Cup - has a decent chance too with Galopin des Champs not there

He’s already said this morning he would take it.

 

[Spurf]

I agree that Tudor is nowhere near the right person for the job because we need a motivator currently. But I doubt Redknapp too. Ryan Mason or Robbie Keane would be my choices

I think it's too big a risk for Mason or Keane who are both at the beginning of their managerial careers. I would also hope a more considered decision will be taken at the end of the season to match management with squad. Redknapp can be relaxed and pass that to the players.

 

[PowerSpurs]

Again, don't confuse cost for value.

On paper Arsenal routinely sign players who aren't as impressive as City and Liverpool.

Wirtz on paper is significantly better than Eze.
No one could have predicted how much Isaak would struggle, but by the same token would anyone have taken Gyokeres over him if given the choice? I doubt it.

I was actually going by TransferMarkt's squad value page.

 

[PowerSpurs]

I think it's too big a risk for Mason or Keane who are both at the beginning of their managerial careers. I would also hope a more considered decision will be taken at the end of the season to match management with squad. Redknapp can be relaxed and pass that to the players.

Mason has the advantage that he knows most of the players well. I think it is hard to expect Redknapp to do a good job at his age.

 

[Spurf]

Mason has the advantage that he knows most of the players well. I think it is hard to expect Redknapp to do a good job at his age.

He doesn't have to run and he knows how to delegate. We don't need a full blown manager at this stage with long term plans and all that implies. We need an enabler and someone who understands the psyche of footballers. With age comes wisdom (for some) others can do the running.
I am the same age as Redknapp are you suggesting we are past it

 

[PowerSpurs]

He doesn't have to run and he knows how to delegate. We don't need a full blown manager at this stage with long term plans and all that implies. We need an enabler and someone who understands the psyche of footballers. With age comes wisdom (for some) others can do the running.
I am the same age as Redknapp are you suggesting we are past it

I am nine years younger and definitely worse at most things I do than I was 10 years ago.

 

[Spurf]

I am nine years younger and definitely worse at most things I do than I was 10 years ago.

You are clearly still sharp and it's the thinking part that is required by Spurs at the moment.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

Why would you pick Mason over Harry for a short term appointment?

Mason was awful at West Brom

Harry is 80, has a history of heart problems, and he didn't do particularly well at either of his last couple of jobs at QPR or Birmingham

Also has to be said that Mason got West Brom 31 of the 36 points they currently have, even if they did have an issue with conceding a bunch of late goals

Mason with Redknapp as an advisor is the romantic story, obviously, but unlikely

 

[PowerSpurs]

Mason was awful at West Brom

Mason got 31 points from 27 matches. They have played 10 league matches since with 6 draws and 4 losses. So their points per match has about halved since they sacked him. How is that evidence that he was awful?

 

[KingHotspur]

Mason got 31 points from 27 matches. They have played 10 league matches since with 6 draws and 4 losses. So their points per match has about halved since they sacked him. How is that evidence that he was awful?

Because he was rightly sacked in his first season.

I’m not interested in how they’ve done afterwards.

Nothing against Mason but he’s not the right man for Spurs right now. Need someone experienced and a motivator

 

[KingHotspur]

Harry is 80, has a history of heart problems, and he didn't do particularly well at either of his last couple of jobs at QPR or Birmingham

Also has to be said that Mason got West Brom 31 of the 36 points they currently have, even if they did have an issue with conceding a bunch of late goals

Mason with Redknapp as an advisor is the romantic story, obviously, but unlikely

Romantic story isn’t what’s needed right now.

A good short term gap appointment that can save the club from relegation is.

 

[Left on the Shelf]

In that situation do you put the team first or the keeper first?

Tudor has many faults but I don’t think he was wrong to make a change so soon. It could have been even worse by half time.

Kinsky will be fine anyway, harsh lesson learnt but he’s young and if he’s got anything about him then he’ll learn from it, if not and his mentality is shot by one situation then he’s probably in the wrong game.

He’s not a PL level keeper anyway (knew that before the other day) but maybe a move back home to rebuild his career at a lower level would be the right move for everyone.

I don't think pulling Kinsky off was a team decision at all. It was a desperate face-saving measure by Tudor after him making the mistake of dropping the young lad in the deep end to start with. And on the basis of one outright 'mistake' (not including the inadvertent slips and errors occurring all over the pitch) I think it was a total overreaction.

You may be right in that Kinsky will not reach the highest levels - the majority of prospects don't - but it's equally the case that his career has been handled very badly by the club through Frank and now Tudor. There's been plenty of opportunity to sell or loan out if they didn't think him capable of being an appropriate cover for Vicario. Equally, that players poor form should have seen either Kinsky or Austin getting much more game time anyway.

I'm afraid that the story of a young keeper is symptomatic of the malaise within the club as a whole: a series of bad judgements and mishandlings.

 

[KingHotspur]

I don't think pulling Kinsky off was a team decision at all. It was a desperate face-saving measure by Tudor after him making the mistake of dropping the young lad in the deep end to start with. And on the basis of one outright 'mistake' (not including the inadvertent slips and errors occurring all over the pitch) I think it was a total overreaction.

You may be right in that Kinsky will not reach the highest levels - the majority of prospects don't - but it's equally the case that his career has been handled very badly by the club through Frank and now Tudor. There's been plenty of opportunity to sell or loan out if they didn't think him capable of being an appropriate cover for Vicario. Equally, that players poor form should have seen either Kinsky or Austin getting much more game time anyway.

I'm afraid that the story of a young keeper is symptomatic of the malaise within the club as a whole: a series of bad judgements and mishandlings.

He shouldn’t have started but taking him off wasn’t a mistake. Better to correct a mistake rather than not admitting it and making it worse.

I agree signing him and then just leaving him as backup with little game time was wrong by the club but it’s minor compared to most mistakes they’ve made over the recent years.

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

I am the same age as Redknapp are you suggesting we are past it

I didn’t see that coming. You old bugger. (Must remember to respect my elders). Sorry dad

Like most PL squads, Spurs’ has only a sprinkling of British players. I doubt many of the current crop will know who he is given that it’s a long time since he was a high profile manager.

If it was a decade ago and Spurs were in a similar predicament, then he’d be a great choice. Not so sure now. And as I alluded to earlier, his focus is on the horses these days; he’s a good chance of getting one over on SAF this week.