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Left on the Shelf said:
I fully admit that I have wanted Kinsky to have been played, but to drop him in cold last night into a significant CL tie was bizarre to say the least.
The mistakes were tragicomic, but I'm still undecided as to whether the decision to sub him was the right one. It looks as if Romero played a part in it, but what his input was we do not yet know.
Personally, I don't think it was necessary: the game was gone already (arguably before the first whistle) and the only thing it has probably achieved is the end of the lads career.
What it does mean is we are saddled with just Flappicario and another underplayed stand-in for the most important 9 PL games we have ever faced.

Addendum:
After a coffee and a trawl of the post match comments I'm now firmly of the view that the substitution at that point was wrong, whoever made it. The lad has been made a scapegoat - probably by a coach desperate to protect himself.

If I squint really hard through powerful binoculars I can just about see why Tudor was thought to be the right person to follow Frank, but in the 4 weeks or so of his tenure he's shown nothing to suggest that he has the credentials. His demeanour on the training pitch, in the dug out and particularly in interviews is one of a very poor communicator. His team selections and substitutions have ranged from the bizarre to the ridiculous and his lack of man management has been obvious.

We were pretty much doomed before he arrived, so I'm certainly not blaming him for the fact that we are now even more likely to drop. But he had to find a way to at least motivate the players to show some commitment. His manner and his actions have demonstrated that he appears completely unable to do that.

Divorced, beheaded, died. Divorced, beheaded, relegated! No survival for us, I fear. Off with his head!! <laugh>
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You make a good point.

The subscription was complete hubris.

Did Tudor make it thinking we had a way back at 3-0 down? Really?

Just play on, led the lad redeem himself and do what was going to happen anyway: lose.
 
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Left on the Shelf said:
I fully admit that I have wanted Kinsky to have been played, but to drop him in cold last night into a significant CL tie was bizarre to say the least.
The mistakes were tragicomic, but I'm still undecided as to whether the decision to sub him was the right one. It looks as if Romero played a part in it, but what his input was we do not yet know.
Personally, I don't think it was necessary: the game was gone already (arguably before the first whistle) and the only thing it has probably achieved is the end of the lads career.
What it does mean is we are saddled with just Flappicario and another underplayed stand-in for the most important 9 PL games we have ever faced.

Addendum:
After a coffee and a trawl of the post match comments I'm now firmly of the view that the substitution at that point was wrong, whoever made it. The lad has been made a scapegoat - probably by a coach desperate to protect himself.

If I squint really hard through powerful binoculars I can just about see why Tudor was thought to be the right person to follow Frank, but in the 4 weeks or so of his tenure he's shown nothing to suggest that he has the credentials. His demeanour on the training pitch, in the dug out and particularly in interviews is one of a very poor communicator. His team selections and substitutions have ranged from the bizarre to the ridiculous and his lack of man management has been obvious.

We were pretty much doomed before he arrived, so I'm certainly not blaming him for the fact that we are now even more likely to drop. But he had to find a way to at least motivate the players to show some commitment. His manner and his actions have demonstrated that he appears completely unable to do that.

Divorced, beheaded, died. Divorced, beheaded, relegated! No survival for us, I fear. Off with his head!! <laugh>
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I coached kids up to 18 and it was always stressed that's what happened yesterday with a keeper was a big no-no. However, his body language looked awful, and not sure if he was in tears but in that state it could have been 7 or 8 by half time!! Still I would have not made that substitution.

For me Austin is a better call as the lad has done OK when called upon before.

Tudor majorly f****** up and he'll be gone after the 'Pool thumping. Out of his depth and a bit clueless for me.
 
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It's so baffling that so many match reports are trying to minimise the effects of the pitch

Did we utterly **** the bed for the first 15-20 minutes? Obviously, yet at least two of the ****s on the mattress cover were due to the effects of the pitch apparently being stored in a freezer until lunchtime yesterday

It's not like we're the only team to have been slipping and sliding on that surface this season, either: Barca were falling over for real when losing there recently, and Betis lodged a complaint about the surface belonging on an early 90s Nickelodeon gameshow earlier this season too
 
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On the basis that Tudor's appointment will be acknowledged as having thrown petrol on the already well established dumpster fire that this season is proving to be, which chump comes next...?

I think the board are already chump hunting and he's gone before we play Forest.

If he stays, it's a stone cold certainty that we're done for. Could there be someone who could motivate the players to actually try during the first half of matches...?

"Tottenham were having trouble
What a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore
Its former glory
Where, oh, where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
Southgate for you and me

And now it's...
Springtime for ENIC and Tottenham
Winter for Forest at last"

Well, one can dream...
 
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Thanks for that Brian said:
On the basis that Tudor's appointment will be acknowledged as having thrown petrol on the already well established dumpster fire that this season is proving to be, which chump comes next...?

I think the board are already chump hunting and he's gone before we play Forest.

If he stays, it's a stone cold certainty that we're done for. Could there be someone who could motivate the players to actually try during the first half of matches...?

"Tottenham were having trouble
What a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore
Its former glory
Where, oh, where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
Southgate for you and me

And now it's...
Springtime for ENIC and Tottenham
Winter for Forest at last"

Well, one can dream...
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Tudor shouldn’t be getting the Liverpool game. He’s done nothing that suggests we keep him. We needed an instant “pick me up” or at least some signs of progress, even if our results were somewhat disappointing. There’s been nothing. Somehow, it’s worse.

We’re gonna get beaten by Liverpool, but if we were to bring in someone else, there’s at least a small chance we get a result, or show some fight at the very least. As it stands, it’ll just be more of the same and we’re running out of games to decide our own destiny. What’s it going to take… visual evidence of the table with us sitting 18th before we make another decision?

Can we also just ring Atletico and tell them not to bother coming to London for the reverse fixture? It just risks more injuries and fatigue. Forfeit and give it to them. Totally pointless, and our future in the premier league is the only thing that matters.
 
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Roo said:
Tudor shouldn’t be getting the Liverpool game. He’s done nothing that suggests we keep him. We needed an instant “pick me up” or at least some signs of progress, even if our results were somewhat disappointing. There’s been nothing. Somehow, it’s worse.

We’re gonna get beaten by Liverpool, but if we were to bring in someone else, there’s at least a small chance we get a result, or show some fight at the very least. As it stands, it’ll just be more of the same and we’re running out of games to decide our own destiny. What’s it going to take… visual evidence of the table with us sitting 18th before we make another decision?

Can we also just ring Atletico and tell them not to bother coming to London for the reverse fixture? It just risks more injuries and fatigue. Forfeit and give it to them. Totally pointless, and our future in the premier league is the only thing that matters.
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Realistically, if we wanted the new manager bounce the logical time to bring Tudor in would have been after the Forest game, given our January fixture list on paper had two or three gettable wins with the brick wall that was February behind it

Instead we choked on those gettable wins, getting two points out of the potential nine, while PGMOL were getting their accumulators sorted for our February fixtures
 
Kinsky always felt a really pointless signing in the first place and debut aside he’s shown nothing to suggest differently. What’s odd though is our management of him, a keeper of his age needs a run of games, not a sporadic appearance every two months. Should’ve loaned him out in the summer and then especially winter, instead we’ve left ourselves with a lad that’s now scarred, been absolute tripe outside of debut when he has played and is offering no competition whatsoever to our first choice GK who himself has had a mare of a season.

Suppose it’s just another to file under “awful management of Tottenham Hotspur football club”, joining the 3,218 other things over the last few years.
 
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Roo said:
Tudor shouldn’t be getting the Liverpool game. He’s done nothing that suggests we keep him. We needed an instant “pick me up” or at least some signs of progress, even if our results were somewhat disappointing. There’s been nothing. Somehow, it’s worse.

We’re gonna get beaten by Liverpool, but if we were to bring in someone else, there’s at least a small chance we get a result, or show some fight at the very least. As it stands, it’ll just be more of the same and we’re running out of games to decide our own destiny. What’s it going to take… visual evidence of the table with us sitting 18th before we make another decision?

Can we also just ring Atletico and tell them not to bother coming to London for the reverse fixture? It just risks more injuries and fatigue. Forfeit and give it to them. Totally pointless, and our future in the premier league is the only thing that matters.
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He shouldn't have got any games. A coach who has never had any PL involvement, as a player or a coach, was ****ing mental...but that's the Spurs way over the last decade

It was hard to believe that we'd find someone worse than Thomas Frank had become, but fair ****s to those involved, they managed it.
 
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To have picked Tudor was to believe that football is a computer game, you simply have to move the pieces on the field in the right way and all will be fine. No one on the Spurs board (or whoever was party to this latest decision) has considered that what is happening to Spurs is as much in the mind as in the feet.

There are a number of people out there with Spurs connections or PL experience who could do this job. We did not need to look for someone completely outside the PL experience and throw them in it as a random solution. Who is going to do that? Someone who fears internal competition perhaps? Someone who fears being found out?
 
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Thanks for that Brian said:
He shouldn't have got any games. A coach who has never had any PL involvement, as a player or a coach, was ****ing mental...but that's the Spurs way over the last decade

It was hard to believe that we'd find someone worse than Thomas Frank had become, but fair ****s to those involved, they managed it.
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Ange was crap, frank did just as bad but wasn’t even liked by the players, then Tudor as an interim has been a disaster.

Throw in the downgrade in players over the last 5-6 years and it’s no surprise Spurs are where they are.

The club are about to realise that the priority should have always been the team on the field and not training grounds or stadiums.
 
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KingHotspur said:
The club are about to realise that the priority should have always been the team on the field and not training grounds or stadiums.
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The whole point of the stadium and the training ground is to improve the team. The stadium has enabled us to spend an extra £100m per year on transfers. Do you honestly think we would be better if we hadn't done that?
 
PowerSpurs said:
The whole point of the stadium and the training ground is to improve the team. The stadium has enabled us to spend an extra £100m per year on transfers. Do you honestly think we would be better if we hadn't done that?
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To an extent, yes.

I think we were more methodical and thoughtful during the WHL years. It felt like a strong portion of our signings were well scouted and fit our MO. We seemingly had a club plan that was largely based around buy low, sell high with many up coming prospects but would occasionally sprinkle a little bit of experience and star quality.

Nowadays? It’s a damn mess. I don’t know what it is we try to do half the time. We tend to just massively overspend on mediocrity and based on our sales in recent years, we now seem to buy high and sell low - sometimes we cant even sell!
 
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Dier Hard said:
To an extent, yes.

I think we were more methodical and thoughtful during the WHL years. It felt like a strong portion of our signings were well scouted and fit our MO. We seemingly had a club plan that was largely based around buy low, sell high with many up coming prospects but would occasionally sprinkle a little bit of experience and star quality.

Nowadays? It’s a damn mess. I don’t know what it is we try to do half the time. We tend to just massively overspend on mediocrity and based on our sales in recent years, we now seem to buy high and sell low - sometimes we cant even sell!
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What do you think has changed? Both periods had Levy in charge at the top. Why were we more successful when we had less money to spend? There is no doubt that the Pochettino squad was sensational value for money but ENIC/Levy out was already a thing even then.
 
Dier Hard said:
To an extent, yes.

I think we were more methodical and thoughtful during the WHL years. It felt like a strong portion of our signings were well scouted and fit our MO. We seemingly had a club plan that was largely based around buy low, sell high with many up coming prospects but would occasionally sprinkle a little bit of experience and star quality.

Nowadays? It’s a damn mess. I don’t know what it is we try to do half the time. We tend to just massively overspend on mediocrity and based on our sales in recent years, we now seem to buy high and sell low - sometimes we cant even sell!
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People that don't know football are trying to run the football like they run the hotels and the concerts etc.

Many fans talk of the game like it's any other job but I have always maintained that it is not in any way shape or form like a normal job.

Our problem is we have owners that think the same...let's throw money at the problem to solve it...that's not how it works tho...you have to know the game.

We're run by idiots in suits...I am so sick of them. They think they fool us by paying large transfer fees on mediocrity like that alone will improve the team. Us fans know tho, the top players demand top wages for a start.

Absolutely clueless

ENIC out
 
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