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So this thread is for how generally bad we are, whereas the individual matchday threads are for how specifically bad we are?
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I don't want to watch any of them, generally...and specifically, not the next one.
Is that OK in this thread?
Is that OK in this thread?
Last night I was hoping Burnley and Leeds lost and couldn't laugh too much re Liverpool cos wolves are a real rival....tonight I'm stressing cos Fulham aint beating west ham and city aint detecting forest....
****ing spurs...
****ing spurs...
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Just looks like a cheap rip off of the Rival thread so far
oh **** off Fulham...
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as for city
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It's supposed to be about Spurs matches, but people can't ****ing read!
It's supposed to be about Spurs matches, but people can't ****ing read!
Now now, that's a bit harsh.
We just enjoy talking about other teams much more than we do talking about Spurs at the moment, which is entirely understandable.
Apparently Glasner has won the same amount of league games at the TH stadium in the last year as Ange and Frank
Wow
Wow
I am surprised that neither manager has given Kinsky a chance. It's been known for a very long time (at least 80 years) that top flight football success starts with the goalkeeper. All successful top teams have goalkeepers who command their area and instil confidence in the defence. Everyone is complaining about Van de Ven and his red card. Would he have tried to grab the player if he had confidence in Vicario? Do any of our defenders have confidence in Vicario?
Yes Vicario has made some wonder saves and you could even point to one or two games and argue that he saved us from defeat, but what does he offer as a goal defender? IMO he offers little and worse than that he appears to look to blame defenders whenever we concede. This can permeate through the entire team and I think it has. When teams attack us we crumble, no one has confidence. Losing so many first pick players to injury is IMO the main problem, especially when the club have behaved as though they do not need to replace them, but one obvious area to make sure you are solid is the goalkeeper. Kinsky is there, presumably he was scouted as worth buying, then surely he is worth giving a chance to when the present incumbent is clearly IMO not up to the job.
) that top flight football success starts with the goalkeeper. All successful top teams have goalkeepers who command their area and instil confidence in the defence. Everyone is complaining about Van de Ven and his red card. Would he have tried to grab the player if he had confidence in Vicario? Do any of our defenders have confidence in Vicario?Yes Vicario has made some wonder saves and you could even point to one or two games and argue that he saved us from defeat, but what does he offer as a goal defender? IMO he offers little and worse than that he appears to look to blame defenders whenever we concede. This can permeate through the entire team and I think it has. When teams attack us we crumble, no one has confidence. Losing so many first pick players to injury is IMO the main problem, especially when the club have behaved as though they do not need to replace them, but one obvious area to make sure you are solid is the goalkeeper. Kinsky is there, presumably he was scouted as worth buying, then surely he is worth giving a chance to when the present incumbent is clearly IMO not up to the job.
I am surprised that neither manager has given Kinsky a chance. It's been known for a very long time (at least 80 years
Yes Vicario has made some wonder saves and you could even point to one or two games and argue that he saved us from defeat, but what does he offer as a goal defender? IMO he offers little and worse than that he appears to look to blame defenders whenever we concede. This can permeate through the entire team and I think it has. When teams attack us we crumble, no one has confidence. Losing so many first pick players to injury is IMO the main problem, especially when the club have behaved as though they do not need to replace them, but one obvious area to make sure you are solid is the goalkeeper. Kinsky is there, presumably he was scouted as worth buying, then surely he is worth giving a chance to when the present incumbent is clearly IMO not up to the job.
Kinsky is even worse than Vicario from what I’ve seen.
Ange, Frank and now Tudor see these players day in day out and still prefer Vicario. That’s damning on Kinsky
We have hardly seen him if he is worse why was he signed? (Daft question.) 22 is young for a goalkeeper I do remember his very first game for us the 1 - 0 win against Liverpool. That's not a bad start. He looked confident and his use of the ball was good, far better than Vicario.
Not necessarily.
The catch-22 when a team is deep in the muck is that the manager will almost always turn to experienced players. If he chooses youngsters and it goes wrong, the manager gets the blame. If he chooses experience, the players take the blame.
It's self preservation.
I’m the last person who will stick up for Vicario as I don’t rate him and never have but I don’t think dropping him for Kinsky would be beneficial.
I’d give Brandon Austin a chance over Kinsky tbh. He’s made less mistakes.
His debut was ok but then he made bad mistakes and looks shaky.
Spurs signed him because the scouts are useless.
Vicario has also made bad mistakes and looks shaky.
He just seems to be given chance after chance to redeem himself.
If our attitude towards youngsters is basically one mistake and you're dropped forever, no one will want to join us.
Kinsky was excellent in his first game - a high pressure cup game against Liverpool. In that game he displayed not only good shot stopping, but a calmness and confidence that continues to be sadly lacking in Vicario.
He subsequently made a couple of errors in his frequent opportunities and it seems that is all anyone remembers.
Vicario has been making mistakes on a regular basis over 2 years but has kept his place, despite it being obvious that his presence was likely detrimental to the players around him.
Kinsky may well turn out to not be good enough at the top level, but he certainly hasn't had a chance to prove that one way or the other yet - any more than Austin has, to be fair! But it may well turn out that we only need a Championship level keeper next year....
He subsequently made a couple of errors in his frequent opportunities and it seems that is all anyone remembers.
Vicario has been making mistakes on a regular basis over 2 years but has kept his place, despite it being obvious that his presence was likely detrimental to the players around him.
Kinsky may well turn out to not be good enough at the top level, but he certainly hasn't had a chance to prove that one way or the other yet - any more than Austin has, to be fair! But it may well turn out that we only need a Championship level keeper next year....
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Perhaps the real problem is that due to the overall team being so poor, individual mistakes are costly to the point of being deadly.
I can recall Ederson making loads of dumb mistakes for City, but it didn't matter because overall they were good enough to make amends for them.
We don't have that luxury, so every mistake is magnified and jumped on by the fans, when the real problem is the bigger picture not being strong enough to support the weight of a mistake.
I can recall Ederson making loads of dumb mistakes for City, but it didn't matter because overall they were good enough to make amends for them.
We don't have that luxury, so every mistake is magnified and jumped on by the fans, when the real problem is the bigger picture not being strong enough to support the weight of a mistake.