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Daily Fail have got the knives out.
They're counting down the top 100 worst strikers to ever grace the PL.
No 99 I can fully comprehend - he was with us (metaphorically only) while I had my season ticket.
But number 98 might well ruffle a few canario feathers - and several other peoples, he was immense on Saturday <ok>
Will bring the other parts as and when I remember - who do we reckon are in the top three? :emoticon-0112-wonde
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-strikers-Premier-League-history-100-81.html
 
Special request - can someone please copy and paste the last paragraph from the article - 'We'll all enjoy this International break etc' , as IMO it totally summarises what the team has achieved last month and if anyone had even suggested we'd be just outside the play-off places, I think I would have suggested they go to 'Hellesdon hospital' <laugh>
 
JM Fan said:
Special request - can someone please copy and paste the last paragraph from the article
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Special bonus - last two (2) paragraphs (+ full article link)

"It was in the Millwall post-mortem too that Farke’s man management was questioned given that he’d hauled Russell Martin off minutes into the second half. Yet the way he handled Josh Murphy’s ill preparation midweek, leaving him out of the squad then giving him the chance to immediately redeem himself in Berkshire and in doing so putting the episode swiftly behind him, seemed spot on.

So two points outside the play-offs and only six points off Cardiff in top spot - September has signalled an incredible turnaround. Just imagine where City could be if the focus in this international break centres on scoring more goals and reaps as many rewards as the defensive work done in the last."
http://www.edp24.co.uk/features/we-...ak-a-lot-more-than-the-previous-one-1-5217910
 
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Typical of the Daily Fail to judge strikers solely by the number of goals scored.

As for the team, the consistency of performances over September is very encouraging, especially as they started well and then got better with each match. The quality and work-rate against Reading was amazing. Trybull was at the heart of that, breaking up attacks, stealing the ball, and then passing the ball to set off an attack. What was also impressive was the selective pressing, judging the right moment to trap an opponent with the ball and then take it away. This is what is providing the consistency we've been lacking for so long. That's what could get us back into the promotion race now, something I had all but given up on a month ago.
 
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Cromercanary said:
Daily Fail have got the knives out.
They're counting down the top 100 worst strikers to ever grace the PL.
No 99 I can fully comprehend - he was with us (metaphorically only) while I had my season ticket.
But number 98 might well ruffle a few canario feathers - and several other peoples, he was immense on Saturday <ok>
Will bring the other parts as and when I remember - who do we reckon are in the top three? :emoticon-0112-wonde
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-strikers-Premier-League-history-100-81.html
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I'm not sure it's greatly controversal, as the article states, CamJam may be good at championship level, but in the PL he just ain't good enough. If we were to go up this season, would you want him as one of our striking options? Absolutely not for me, if he got on the pitch, I would hope it was only in the event of 2-3 other better options having been temporarily struck down.
He was good on Saturday, he finally scored, a free header that he buried well. But he also missed that 1 on 1 and before his goal looked like the couldn't score in a brothel grafter that we were starting to question. Immense? hardly, would you really want him to stay in the side a head of Nelson on the strength of that performace? I know someone will bring up the points gained/win ratio being higher with Jerome in the side, but that is as likely to be because he has had the lions share of time in a now better functioning team. I know he plays a part in that, but I still believe Nelson offers more and that the 1 goal margins have a better chance of growing to 2's or 3's with Nelson at the helm.

Bah!
 
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Many thanks for posting that Cromer - I'm back from sunning myself and quaffing copious quantities of (weak) Efes on Wednesday, so normal service should be resumed.

Rick - you'll get yourself in RBF's diary with a statement like that. I just hope RBF has added an extra page for 6th May next year!!! <laugh>

PS - I just hope I'm not going to have to eat more humble pie!!!
 
General Melchett said:
I know someone will bring up the points gained/win ratio being higher with Jerome in the side, but that is as likely to be because he has had the lions share of time in a now better functioning team. I know he plays a part in that, but I still believe Nelson offers more and that the 1 goal margins have a better chance of growing to 2's or 3's with Nelson at the helm.
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I agree with your final comment. Let's hope neither NO nor CJ get crocked over the next few games as due to our striker deficiency (yes, I still believe we should have had one more) and Watkins, selfish, impetuous, cynical, season-threatening, possible-promotion-costing idiotic red card, it's slim pickings up front - unless he plays Josh there, for example.
 
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Cromercanary said:
I agree with your final comment. Let's hope neither NO nor CJ get crocked over the next few games as due to our striker deficiency (yes, I still believe we should have had one more) and Watkins, selfish, impetuous, cynical, season-threatening, possible-promotion-costing idiotic red card, it's slim pickings up front - unless he plays Josh there, for example.
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You're not 'Duncan' in disguise are you??? <laugh>
 
General Melchett said:
I'm not sure it's greatly controversal, as the article states, CamJam may be good at championship level, but in the PL he just ain't good enough.

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Maybe not controversial to some, but to me putting CJ in close proximity to that waste of space that was Paul Dalgleish was a bloody outrage.

The two cannot be compared at all!
 
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ncgandy said:
Maybe not controversial to some, but to me putting CJ in close proximity to that waste of space that was Paul Dalgleish was a bloody outrage.

The two cannot be compared at all!
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But they can be compared, this is about the 100 worst strikers in PL history. I think both could well deserve a mention in that catagory. PD maybe lucky to be that far down the list but on it I think both of them are with some justification. I would strongly imagine that the author has plucked 100 names from the lowest goals to games ratio, looked for ones who played for a top 4 side, made a top 20 out of them, partly to court controversy, partly because he is to lazy and ill informed to subjectively bother with the rest, then chuck the other 80 in there for the hell of it as click bait.

Bah!
 
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General Melchett said:
I would strongly imagine that the author has plucked 100 names from the lowest goals to games ratio, looked for ones who played for a top 4 side, made a top 20 out of them, partly to court controversy, partly because he is to lazy and ill informed to subjectively bother with the rest, then chuck the other 80 in there for the hell of it as click bait.
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This is the damned poisonous Daily Fail we're talking about - they don't know any other way to operate <doh>
 
Cromercanary said:
Daily Fail have got the knives out.
They're counting down the top 100 worst strikers to ever grace the PL.
No 99 I can fully comprehend - he was with us (metaphorically only) while I had my season ticket.
But number 98 might well ruffle a few canario feathers - and several other peoples, he was immense on Saturday <ok>
Will bring the other parts as and when I remember - who do we reckon are in the top three? :emoticon-0112-wonde
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-strikers-Premier-League-history-100-81.html
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No I'm not too bother about anything the Daily Fail says in fact most of what they print is nonsense.

What I would say is that should we get promoted I don't think I'd keep Jerome as our main first choice striker, in fact I'd would only want him as our third choice, possibly with Oliveira as 2nd choice. I think the way he plays is much more suited to Championship football than PL football.
 
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RiverEndRick said:
I don't mind JMF, but it's still a 'could' at this stage. In spite of that my glass is half full again!
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I quite agree Rick and if we can keep up even a modicum of the momentum/confidence that we've built up over the last month, then I feel pretty certain we'll finish in the play-offs at least.

We'll have a much better idea by the time Millwall visit CR next year!!!!
 
carrowcanario said:
No I'm not too bother about anything the Daily Fail says in fact most of what they print is nonsense.

What I would say is that should we get promoted I don't think I'd keep Jerome as our main first choice striker, in fact I'd would only want him as our third choice, possibly with Oliveira as 2nd choice. I think the way he plays is much more suited to Championship football than PL football.
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We've been through this many times, but CJ's strengths lie in away games where his pace and counter-attacking abilities come to the fore. He scored most of his goals in away games for that reason, also adding 7 assists, each of which led to a goal obviously. Oliveira provides precious few of those, if any, but he is the better choice at home or against lower sides away. We need them both for those reasons. I agree that we'd need another striker if we went up, but I'd still want CJ as an option.
 
RiverEndRick said:
We've been through this many times, but CJ's strengths lie in away games where his pace and counter-attacking abilities come to the fore. He scored most of his goals in away games for that reason, also adding 7 assists, each of which led to a goal obviously. Oliveira provides precious few of those, if any, but he is the better choice at home or against lower sides away. We need them both for those reasons. I agree that we'd need another striker if we went up, but I'd still want CJ as an option.
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I think I'd see CJ as an option as a recruiting failure. OK at a push 3rd choice behind a newby and a 2nd choice Nelson but I simply don't think he is good enough and with another championship season in his legs, he won't have improved on the last time he didn't cut it.

Bah!
 
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