Off Topic General election
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It's costed. More than can be said about any of the tory manifesto.
BRI,
Its always costed by the labour party, but when put to the test their figures are found wanting, time after time after time.
I'm all for more of everything NHS wise, defence wise etc etc but you have to have a realistic budget and stick too it.
Labour I'm afraid never do.
We might not enjoy the medicine the Tories have doled out to repair our ailing finances but spending to please the masses has never worked. History must tell you that.
Well it will be passed though parliament as acts and signed off by the lords and the queen, like all policy, so they'll have to. It will be statute law
Like I said before mate if you believe that good luck to you.
You do know they failed every single one of their own targets? Borrowed record amounts? Increased our national debt.
It wouldn't be so bad if all these cuts worked, but it didn't, they're behind their own projections. They ****ed it up mate. Now we're in a position where the cuts didn't generate enough and everything has got worse. The money has to be generated from somewhere before our country's infrastructure collapses.
It's costed, it adds up, it will improve living standards. I'll take a punt with that rather than go with party who's already failed themselves and their only weapon is a weak leader with a substandard uncontested meaningless manifesto.
You know, if the Tories taxed the rich heavily in addition to making the cuts they'd be untouchable now. Britain would be right on track, what's more it would be a healthier fairer society because everyone would have made that sacrifice to make the country a better place for everyone. Instead it's ****ed. Still tax havens and an extra homes allround for everybody in the boardroom
That's the most important thing, the rich are more comfortable while everyone else suffers. Each to the own though. It's why we all have our own vote
Heres the problem with tax and the system that Corbyn would rape..... He's a loon!!
Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.
But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.
But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
1. It's not to make the poor prosper, it to pay for public services. Services everybody uses.
2. So people are working for nothing? Pray tell? Other than the people forced into tory legislated beneith the living wage internships, everybody is getting paid when they work.
3. Yes, it's called tax, been around for centuries, it's utterly essential, one could say it the engine which runs the country.
4. why should the focus be on multplying rich peoples bank balance when public services are suffering?
Are you really basing your vote around that?
Be careful what you wish for folks..... seems to me more moneys there but crap management. Careful what you wish for. People generally blame resource and never look at resourcefuness
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Do a think they it will be a clean sweep and everything will be perfect? No of course not. All governments make mistakes or under perform in areas. Some of the policies will fail. But to question a potential governments capability to succeed when the other failed so badly all it's own projections i find a bit mental.
I've come into this election without a party. Tories have been torn to shared left right and centre, not just by labour, the pm is a piss weak unelected moron who can't even chuck together an election campaign let alone run the country and negotiate Brexit. She's been weak with her message with recent events. Unlike Corbyn who has spent the day trying to rally the country. She's got a vote of no confidence from me. I'd rather have Tim Farron than that divy cow. That how much of a car crash that woman is.
Anyway, our own vote is our own vote init.
As I said much earlier, " unintended consequences ", surprise surprise change taxation and people change behaviour.
I'm not voting for Labour from 2010. Pointless, utterly pointless and irrelevant. I'm not here fighting for Gordon Brown policies which doesn't exist anymore.
wasnt it Tony Blair LABOUR who upped our overseas aid to 7% G.D.P cost now 12 billion next year 13 billion , that would see the police armed forces hospitals and pension ok, charity begins at home,we borrow now 12 billion to give away,cant trust LabourYou do know they failed every single one of their own targets? Borrowed record amounts? Increased our national debt.
It wouldn't be so bad if all these cuts worked, but it didn't, they're behind their own projections. They ****ed it up mate. Now we're in a position where the cuts didn't generate enough and everything has got worse. The money has to be generated from somewhere before our country's infrastructure collapses.
It's costed, it adds up, it will improve living standards. I'll take a punt with that rather than go with party who's already failed themselves and their only weapon is a weak leader with a substandard uncontested meaningless manifesto.
You know, if the Tories taxed the rich heavily in addition to making the cuts they'd be untouchable now. Britain would be right on track, what's more it would be a healthier fairer society because everyone would have made that sacrifice to make the country a better place for everyone. Instead it's ****ed. Still tax havens and an extra homes allround for everybody in the boardroom
Each to the own though. It's why we all have our own vote
Me neither Bri...my point wasn't about public services although I agree with you that they are pivotal to a fair and decent society. I do think whichever party gets in have got a resource issue and need to make hard choices. My concern with Corbyn is that he'd bankrupt the place and then there would be naff all left for anyone as the wealthy would just get out of it and wouldn't have to contribute their share...which needs to be fair also. Its probably the biggest gripe that higher earners have. Some will say that they should have no moans...I would say that when it gets abusive they should.
Anyway....this year promotion..next year champions league...year after...world domination. Cheers
Anyway, made my case as passionate as I can. My vote is decided just as most people's and we're all doing our own thing regardless of what we say to each other. So at the risk of going round in circles I'll withdraw while the atmos is fresh and clean. Gents.
Anyway, made my case as passionate as I can. My vote is decided just as most people's and we're all doing our own thing regardless of what we say to each other. So at the risk of going round in circles I'll withdraw while the atmos is fresh and clean. Gents.
Tony Blair was a pillock I agree. I'm not voting for Tony Blair's policies. The Labour party isn't the same, it's has shifted back over to the left. Blair is not relevant to me fella in this election. Anyway, fella, As above I'm stepping back now.
I think our commitment is 0.7% not 7%.
Our NATO commitment to defence bill is 2%
but the 12 billion is still correct mate, along with 13 billion for next year, this should be halved at least and the excess put in to forces police health and pensions.
You're basing it on a hunch, where as the Tories have just borrowed more than any other government off the back of a manifesto policy promise not to borrow. Just saying.
I've got to go eat fella. All the best.