Swerve and insult. More typical w_y behaviour
Keep on backing up SH, with your islamaphobic views you're nearly both on the same page.
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Swerve and insult. More typical w_y behaviour
Keep on backing up SH, with your islamaphobic views you're nearly both on the same page.
I don't recall that you confronted me with any facts, if so please enlighten me. I raised the question of whether privatized systems were geared up for coping with national disasters. The victims of such disasters in the USA would be heavily charged for it - and the evidence from their reaction (or lack of it) to the New Orleans floods (where Castro actually had to offer them medical help) appears to suggest that a state controlled system would have reacted more quickly under such circumstances.
yorkshirehornet
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If folks are debating the NHS, there are many reasons why I will not vote for a party that is underfunding it and making it appear as failing by putting it through quality control measures that it cannot meet.
Personally
I waited 6 months last year to get a MRI scan on my back
I have been waiting 10 weeks to see a podiatrist and am in constant pain with my feet.
My mum spent 3 weeks recently in the wrong ward as there was no space in the stroke ward
I have worked in the past 10 years with a number of NHS employees who have come to me with work related stress including a top surgeon
My best friends grandson has Friedrichs Ataxia and the NHS would neither give him the heart tablets or the physio he needs.He now gets the tablets from a French specialist, free as he is under 18 and his feet are so deformed that he will never recover.
Lastly my urban medical practice can no longer afford to stay open on weekends due to funding cuts and I can no longer see my Personal Gp on a joined up basis as care is now ' shared'
I could go on... But these are my personal influences.
In my opinion the current government has caused most of this due to funding cuts. We have one of the lowest per capita funding in the developed countries. Etc
Personally
I waited 6 months last year to get a MRI scan on my back
I have been waiting 10 weeks to see a podiatrist and am in constant pain with my feet.
My mum spent 3 weeks recently in the wrong ward as there was no space in the stroke ward
I have worked in the past 10 years with a number of NHS employees who have come to me with work related stress including a top surgeon
My best friends grandson has Friedrichs Ataxia and the NHS would neither give him the heart tablets or the physio he needs.He now gets the tablets from a French specialist, free as he is under 18 and his feet are so deformed that he will never recover.
Lastly my urban medical practice can no longer afford to stay open on weekends due to funding cuts and I can no longer see my Personal Gp on a joined up basis as care is now ' shared'
I could go on... But these are my personal influences.
In my opinion the current government has caused most of this due to funding cuts. We have one of the lowest per capita funding in the developed countries. Etc
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yorkshirehornet
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I am in Lesvos this week staying with the in laws. the dad is a recently retired Greek policeman, the older son is a police captain and the younger has been working in one of the camps helping out with refugees. The family is completely split and this is a real day on day situation. With boats coming in. And people drowning etc. A humanitarian and political disaster.
We have still got to be able to sit down and find answers without fighting amongst ourselves.
Resorting to abuse and stereotypes will not get us anywhere.
Incidentally I have been called a fool and a mango by our local Labour candidate this week for explaining why I favour a multi party approach.
You only come back on here to throw insults about, the forum, with all its worts, works much better without you.
No serve and no insult - you clearly made a mistake and I suggested you concentrate harder. Do you understand what the term "Islamaphobic" means? But carry on with your insults - it demonstrates to all what you are.Swerve and insult. More typical w_y behaviour
Keep on backing up SH, with your islamaphobic views you're nearly both on the same page.
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My response was that they were geared up to cope with 9/11 and Boston and in the immediacy of the floods in New Orleans - it was in the aftermath in New Orleans that the US was a disgrace. The evidence from 9/11 is has been seen over and over again.You have no evidence that the victims of 9/11 were heavily charged, it's another of your throw away lines with no facts behind them. Suggest away, but you have no evidence and no proof that a state controlled system would respond quicker.
Do you really mean'worts' ? Wort = The liquid extracted during the mashing process whilst brewing - it contains the sugars that will be fermented by brewing yeast. Alternatively it is the old English word for a crop or root, and some plants (eg. St. John's wort) - related to the German Wurz and, presumably, the Somerset wurzel. Are we all wurzels ???
There are no 'throw away lines' as you call them. I asked the question as to whether state controlled resources were better at coping with national disasters - I did not say that they were, and, therefore, do not have to produce evidence. The only way that evidence could be produced is if the same disaster struck twice - coped with in different ways by different systems. All countries have a range of essential services in public hands, even the USA, and it is noticable that the extent of federal government action, when dealing with disasters, has increased there - which does not prove anything - it is simply a further topic for debate.
I think he understands what a phobia is W_Y. A phobia is an irrational fear of something - it can be of spiders, but, in this case, he is referring to the creation of scapegoats ie. the classifying of a whole group as 'dangerous' or as a cause of our problems. Or the use of a negative stereotype successfully applied to a whole group, normally producing fear (and racism is always a result of fear, and an inferiority complex). In my life I have seen many groups used as scapegoats in England - the blacks, the Unions, the lefties, the EU. immigrants in general, the Irish, Rumanian fruitpickers, and, more recently, Scotland. The only good thing about Brexit is that the English might run out of scapegoats.
You didn't raise a question, you suggested an answer:-
"and the evidence from their reaction (or lack of it) to the New Orleans floods (where Castro actually had to offer them medical help) appears to suggest that a state controlled system would have reacted more quickly under such circumstances."
So, to recap. You agreed with another posters post that the NHS response (although the 1st responder services involved are not the NHS) would have been worse if people voted Tory because it would mean more privatisation of the NHS and you attempted to back this up with examples that could not be really backed up? OK, that is clear then!
I am sure he will thank you for answering the question - it will save him from Googling it (although should you be using the services of one of those nasty corporates). Also I am sure he will thank you for expanding the definition.
Can you ask him to show where I have scapegoated Islam for anything?
Would be fair to accuse you and others on here who left England for a better life as Anglophobes? - maybe you could get Toby to answer? Or maybe not as he had to return for a better life - must be hell though!
What was their opinion of Germany? The country that caused the huge influx of refugees and economic migrants to risk people traffickers and the perilous journey but has not compensated them to cope with this tide of humanity? The country that has bankrupted them to ensure the Euro survives? I suspect times are tough there now?
I will just answer that very quickly - because I want to watch Ajax, if I were asked to choose between having a bad accident, and needing emergency help in the USA or in Stockholm I know which I would choose - although I don't really want either.
yorkshirehornet
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You have made insults too.. And as I see it you came back in here and made generalised insults about a number of us.... I certainly belive I have never unsulted you... Toby had made virtually no posts on here as I believe he was advised about his behaviour.. Until you came on today and made some very abusive statements.
You really can't have it both ways..
yorkshirehornet
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They feel manipulated by bigger pow ers that did a deal with Turkey. Turkey was supposed to take people back and only a handful have done so. However the family view here is that Greece should never have lied to join the Euro in the first place. Politicians here are not trusted as there is so much corruption. My in-law has seen his police pension halved and taxes on everything go up...
Oh yes, I forgot, Germany is another familiar scapegoat. Merkel made a humanitarian gesture to alleviate a dangerous bottleneck which had developed in the Balkans - what other choice was there ? They did this at a time when Britain was shaking its head on refugees, yet selling weapons in the same region. How would those countries be judged now who had refused to take refugees in World War 2 ?
Merkel and the Germans continue to block urgent debt relief for the Greeks, the IMF are being helpful and reasonable. It is Merkel and Schauble taking a hard line to deny all hope of improving the lives of the Greek citizens.
I agree that Germany is making things difficult - this is why we need a change of government in September. But why do you attack the idea of austerity when proposed by Merkel and Schäuble yet support it when it comes from the Tories ?
As you well know there vastly differing degrees of austerity. The Greeks must be on the hardest with the UK currently on the softest. The IMF have taken a reasonable line knowing the Greeks will never repay most of the loans. The Germans are taking a hard and unreasonable stance to set an example to other Euro countries. As usual they run the EU for purely selfish reasons.