Off Topic General Election Special

[Edelman]

No it's not very precise, but more often than not such folk are extremely canny judges of character and are adept at spotting phonies.
Bosses, salesmen, politicians, do gooders...and anyone else who claims to be 'on your side'.

Now I can't disagree with some of those.

 

[Leon...]

Unlike Corbyn??!?
Both sides favour the drugged goons holding up sloganed placards as a backdrop, as if they're gushing believers in the message.

Such stage managed **** will not wash with Johnny Public, whatever the party.
I missed Corbers' big day out at Zebedee's Yard but the gushing fawners and hyper zealots I saw on telly and in paper do not seem in any way present in the normal everyday working life of our great port city.
To use a line from Eleanor Rigby, "...where do they all come from?'

In Hull, across the city - people of all ages enthused by Corbyn - although a mass young contingent present.

Corbyn turns up with no or little security and anyone can come. He chats to anyone afterwards too.

May hides away, evades, speaks in cliches, platitudes and soundbites - embarrassing.

 

[Obadiah]

Unlike Corbyn??!?
Both sides favour the drugged goons holding up sloganed placards as a backdrop, as if they're gushing believers in the message.

Such stage managed **** will not wash with Johnny Public, whatever the party.
I missed Corbers' big day out at Zebedee's Yard but the gushing fawners and hyper zealots I saw on telly and in paper do not seem in any way present in the normal everyday working life of our great port city.
To use a line from Eleanor Rigby, "...where do they all come from?'

They came from Hull and the surrounding area in the main.

 

[Leon...]

They came from Hull and the surrounding area in the main.

As you'll know, the same (if not greater numbers) have been happening over the country.

Anyone can turn up. No one's barred or selected.

 

[Spook]

I think you're right.

Obviously, I want a Labour win. But part of me (a big part) would like the Cons to win with a reduced majority/ideally no majority.

Brexit is a poisoned chalice, whoever gets it (like a Labour minority even) is in serious, serious trouble.

Trust me, it's going to smash the Cons like the Irish question did.

We've alreadfy seen that May is a "a blowhard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire" by a one-nation Tory

What's hilarious is that right-wingers think Labour's plans to increase corporation tax to 26% will cause businesses to relocate in Europe or the US, despite 26% still being lower than most of Europe and US. If businesses relocate elsewhere, it will be because of Brexit.

 

[balkan tiger]

Corbyn comes across to most people who will vote Labour tomorrow (and many that won't) as decent, sincere and a man of principle. He is offering the electorate the opportunity to vote for a fairer, more caring society and this explains why 10,000 people stood in the rain to hear him speak in Gateshead. Why 5,000 heard him in Hull. The majority don't care he spoke to Sinn Fein or even the IRA, that war is over and peace in Northern Ireland is universally seen as a good thing. The Tories will do their best to get Sinn Fein back into a power-sharing government if re-elected. All the newsprint about Corbyn will not stop a Tory government handing the North to Eire to get a Brexit deal if that's what it takes. The protestant working class will find they no longer matter and will be Ireland's problem not Great Britain's.

Corbyn promises more police on the street, more for anti-terrorism work and will stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia, which funded terrorists in the past and may still be doing so. May promises more control of the internet and a reduction in all our civil liberties whilst ignoring intelligence from abroad that Islamic extremists coming into Britain could be planning attacks.

We may disagree but I don't think Corbyn is heading towards a socialist government like Cuba, East Germany or even the Soviet Union. The railways are a mess as is the national grid and both need major investment. That investment will be cheaper to acquire if they are nationalised. The Tories can only attract investment for the national grid by promising mega profits for decades to the Chinese and French. Same with the railways. Business will have to meet those costs as well as facing demands for bigger pay rises from its employees to pay for higher gas and electric prices. The same for the railways. Higher rail fares have to be paid for out of wages, especially in the South East, thereby eating into profits.

Corbyn's programme isn't that much different from Blair's in my opinion. It just feels different.

I would say the national Labour campaign has been, with one or two exceptions, professional and competent. More so than the Tory campaign.

As i said earlier the cake has gone, it's all well and good promising things the people would like but the money is not there. This applies to all the parties, they can move the spend around a bit but we are spending more than the income.

 

[Amin Arrears]

What's hilarious is that right-wingers think Labour's plans to increase corporation tax to 26% will cause businesses to relocate in Europe or the US, despite 26% still being lower than most of Europe and US. If businesses relocate elsewhere, it will be because of Brexit.

Businesses pay more to the state than corporation tax dumbo.

 

[Off The Line]

No messing around -

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/06...s-prime-minister-and-theyre-bloody-brilliant/

 

[Leon...]

As i said earlier the cake has gone, it's all well and good promising things the people would like but the money is not there. This applies to all the parties, they can move the spend around a bit but we are spending more than the income.

With all due respect mate, how do you know the money has gone?

 

[City Man]

I think you're right.

Obviously, I want a Labour win. But part of me (a big part) would like the Cons to win with a reduced majority/ideally no majority.

Brexit is a poisoned chalice, whoever gets it (like a Labour minority even) is in serious, serious trouble.

Trust me, it's going to smash the Cons like the Irish question did.

We've alreadfy seen that May is a "a blowhard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire" by a one-nation Tory

I will take your word about May, as she seems to be ill at ease with people (as is Corbyn to be fair, both natural introverts.
He may make better rabble-rousing speeches to the converted, but she easily gets the better of him in parliament. This is because he is ill- prepared and chaotic.
She seems Strong and Stable, but he just speaks for the Few(his far left coterie pals ) but pretends it's the Many.

 

[City Man]

In Hull, across the city - people of all ages enthused by Corbyn - although a mass young contingent present.

Corbyn turns up with no or little security and anyone can come. He chats to anyone afterwards too.

May hides away, evades, speaks in cliches, platitudes and soundbites - embarrassing.

See my other post- she is not a great orator nor charismatic.
But tell me, didn't the alarm bells ring when fat **** Prescott suddenly rocked up as chief RAH RAH Boy for Corbyn after previously rubbishing him and his leadership in public?
Who needs an endorsement like that?

 

[Spook]

Unlike Corbyn??!?
Both sides favour the drugged goons holding up sloganed placards as a backdrop, as if they're gushing believers in the message.

Such stage managed **** will not wash with Johnny Public, whatever the party.
I missed Corbers' big day out at Zebedee's Yard but the gushing fawners and hyper zealots I saw on telly and in paper do not seem in any way present in the normal everyday working life of our great port city.
To use a line from Eleanor Rigby, "...where do they all come from?'

Which is what exactly? You do realise Hull's three constituencies have consistently been Labour safe seats with massive for decades, right?

 

[Leon...]

I will take your word about May, as she seems to be ill at ease with people (as is Corbyn to be fair, both natural introverts.
He may make better rabble-rousing speeches to the converted, but she easily gets the better of him in parliament. This is because he is ill- prepared and chaotic.
She seems Strong and Stable, but he just speaks for the Few(his far left coterie pals ) but pretends it's the Many.

Now you've just proved your claim earlier - you clearly haven't been taking notice.

 

[Leon...]

See my other post- she is not a great orator nor charismatic.
But tell me, didn't the alarm bells ring when fat **** Prescott suddenly rocked up as chief RAH RAH Boy for Corbyn after previously rubbishing him and his leadership in public?
Who needs an endorsement like that?

I heard Prescott rubbished Corbyn but can find little proof of it. No being twatty, but please link it on here.

His son is a SPAD for Corbyn.

 

[City Man]

Which is what exactly? You do realise Hull's three constituencies have consistently been Labour safe seats with massive for decades, right?

Yes, it's not rocket horse science, Sherlock.
Hull has been old Labour for decades. The modern hijacked Islington style 'Labour' party does not resonate with the mindset of this great old port city's electorate.

You know they would vote for a red pillar box, right?

 

[Edelman]

I will take your word about May, as she seems to be ill at ease with people (as is Corbyn to be fair, both natural introverts.
He may make better rabble-rousing speeches to the converted, but she easily gets the better of him in parliament. This is because he is ill- prepared and chaotic.
She seems Strong and Stable, but he just speaks for the Few(his far left coterie pals ) but pretends it's the Many.

We will judge her strength and stability when Brexit talks are in progress.
And I won't see it as a strength if she puts 2 fingers up to the EU because of pressure from within the party.
Remember that the people within the Tory party ( right wingers ) won't be the ones affected.
They are very wealthy and can withstand any scenario for their vanity project.

 

[City Man]

Which is what exactly? You do realise Hull's three constituencies have consistently been Labour safe seats with massive for decades, right?

Yes, it's not rocket horse science, Sherlock.
Hull has been old Labour for decades. The modern hijacked Islington style 'Labour' party does not resonate with the mindset of this great old port city's electorate.

You know they would vote post for a red pillar box, right?

 

[Spook]

Businesses pay more to the state than corporation tax dumbo.

Doesn't alter the fact that Labour's policies won't drive businesses away; Brexit will.

 

[Spook]

Yes, it's not rocket horse science, Sherlock.
Hull has been old Labour for decades. The modern hijacked Islington style 'Labour' party does not resonate with the mindset of this great old port city's electorate.

You know they would vote for a red pillar box, right?

Corbyn's Neo-Keynesian policies are Old Labour, contrast with Blair's New Labour.

>does not resonate with the mindset of this great old port city's electorate

If that's true, I expect Labour to lose all three of Hull's seats then.

 

[City Man]

We will judge her strength and stability when Brexit talks are in progress.
And I won't see it as a strength if she puts 2 fingers up to the EU because of pressure from within the party.
Remember that the people within the Tory party ( right wingers ) won't be the ones affected.
.

The City is massively Remoan, as they fear their jobs will go to Frankfurt and Paris.
The people who will be affected are the ones who have money.
Which rules out of most of us who have no money to speak of.
If you've never had Home Counties level prosperity and wealth, you've nowt to lose,