General Election 2019

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General Election 2019

  1. Labour

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  2. Tory

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  3. Lib. Dem

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
  4. Green Party

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
  5. Brexit Party

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  6. SNP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. None of the above

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  9. My legs because they support me

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
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  1. superhorns

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    I do, regularly when my gardener comes, I even make him cup of tea. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  2. Toby

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    Hmm...

    So on one side a Professor st the University of Greenwich has done a detailed breakdown of costs

    https://www.gre.ac.uk/articles/publ...-save-uk-billions-greenwich-research-reveals#

    On the other side we have superhorns, who has 0 knowledge of economics apart from headlines in the daily comics he reads.

    I wonder who is the more fiscally illiterate of the two?
     
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    Are we celebrating too soon? If it is a hung parliament I might not be around to comment for a little while. :emoticon-0107-sweat
     
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  4. Simple Saffy

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    I really hope not otherwise my broadband may have temporary connection issues until after the new year.
     
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    The latest poll announcement that the Tories are 14 points ahead is welcome news but we need all Conservative voters to actually vote, not to think it is already in the bag.

    Keep the champagne on ice for a little longer. <bubbly>
     
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  6. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking more along the lines of Sauce a la Aconitum Napellus :emoticon-0130-devil :evil:
     
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    Er, it has.
     
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    You amply demonstrate this.
     
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    The idea that you think that was was funny suggests you probably piss your sides reading the Beano. I will give you the credit that it is a better source of information than the Daily Fail, though.
     
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    ...and you think that is funny...???
     
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    Economists’ letter to the Financial Times
    25 November 2019
    The UK economy needs reform. For too long it has prioritised consumption over investment,
    short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages,
    and deficit reduction over the quality of public services. The results are now plain. We have
    had ten years of near zero productivity growth. Corporate investment has stagnated. Average
    earnings are still lower than in 2008. A gulf has arisen between London and the South East
    and the rest of the country. And public services are under intolerable strain - which the
    economic costs of a hard Brexit would only make worse. We now moreover face the urgent
    imperative of acting on the climate and environmental crisis.
    Given private sector reluctance, what the UK economy needs is a serious injection of public
    investment, which can in turn leverage private finance attracted by the expectation of higher
    demand. Such investment needs to be directed into the large-scale and rapid decarbonisation
    of energy, transport, housing, industry and farming; the support of innovation- and exportoriented
    businesses; and public services. It is clear that this will require an active and green
    industrial strategy, aimed at improving productivity and spreading investment across the
    country. Experience elsewhere (not least in Germany) suggests a National Investment Bank
    would greatly help. With long-term real interest rates now negative, it makes basic economic
    sense for the government to borrow for this, spreading the cost over the generations who will
    benefit from the assets. As the IMF has acknowledged, when interest payments are low and
    investment raises economic growth, public debt is sustainable.
    At the same time, we need a serious attempt to raise wages and productivity. A higher
    minimum wage can help do this, alongside tighter regulation of the worst practices in the gig
    economy. Bringing workers onto company boards and giving them a stake in their companies,
    as most European countries do in some form, will also help. The UK’s outlier rate of
    corporation tax can clearly be raised, not least for the highly profitable digital companies.
    As economists, and people who work in various fields of economic policy, we have looked
    closely at the economic prospectuses of the political parties. It seems clear to us that the
    Labour Party has not only understood the deep problems we face, but has devised serious
    proposals for dealing with them. We believe it deserves to form the next government.
    Yours
    David G. Blanchflower
    Bruce V. Rauner Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College; Professor of Economics.
    University of Stirling; former member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee
    Victoria Chick
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, University College London
    Lord Meghnad Desai
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, London School of Economics and Political Science
    continued over...
    Continued over.... / 2
    Stephany Griffith-Jones
    Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex;
    Financial Markets Director, Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University
    Simon Wren-Lewis
    Emeritus Professor of Economics and Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford
    and 158 others:
    Jonathan Aldred
    Director of Studies in Economics, Emmanuel College, and Faculty of Economics, University
    of Cambridge
    Tanweer Ali
    Lecturer, Empire State College, State University of New York
    Patrick Allen
    Chair, Progressive Economy Forum
    Carolina Alves
    Joan Robinson Research Fellow in Heterodox Economics, Faculty of Economics and Girton
    College, University of Cambridge
    Antonio Andreoni
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, SOAS, University of London
    Shawky Arif
    Senior Lecturer in International Development, University of Northampton
    Joseph Baines
    Lecturer of International Political Economy, King’s College London
    Kate Bayliss
    Senior Research Fellow, SOAS, University of London
    Hannah Bargawi
    Senior Lecturer and co-Head of Department of Economics, SOAS University of London
    Adotey Bing-Pappoe
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, Greenwich University
    Peter Bloom
    Professor of Management, Essex Business School, University of Essex
    Bruno Bonizzi
    Senior Lecturer, University of Hertfordshire, Hertfordshire Business School
    Dr Alberto Botta
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
    Continued over.... / 3
    Andrew Brown
    Professor of Economics and Political Economy, University of Leeds
    Mark Bryan
    Reader in Economics, University of Sheffield
    Mike Bull
    Reader in Social Enterprise, Manchester Metropolitan University
    Jonathan Busch
    Research Fellow in Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
    Terry Byres
    Professor Emeritus of Political Economy, SOAS, University of London
    Robert Calvert Jump
    Research Fellow, University of Greenwich
    Ha-Joon Chang
    Reader, Faculty of Economics, University of Cambridge
    John Christensen
    Director, Tax Justice Network
    David Cobham
    Professor of Economics, Heriot-Watt University
    Christine Cooper
    Professor of Accounting, University of Edinburgh
    Christopher Cramer
    Professor of the Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
    Bruce Cronin
    Professor of Economic Sociology, University of Greenwich
    Andrew Cumbers
    Professor of Regional Political Economy, University of Glasgow
    Yannis Dafermos
    Lecturer in Economics, SOAS University of London
    Hulya Dagdeviren
    Professor of Economic Development, University of Hertfordshire
    William Davies
    Professor in Political Economy, Goldsmiths, University of London
    Jerome De Henau
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, Open University
    Continued over.... / 4
    Jonathan Di John
    Senior Lecturer, Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
    Danny Dorling
    Halford Mackinder Professor of Geography, University of Oxford
    Gary Dymski
    Professor of Applied Economics, University of Leeds
    Ciaran Driver
    Professor of Economics, School of Finance and Management, SOAS, University of London
    Trevor Evans
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, Berlin School of Economics and Law
    Andrew Fanning
    Marie Curie Research Fellow, Sustainability Research Institute, University of Leeds
    Ben Fine
    Emeritus Professor, School of Oriental and African Studies, London
    Felix FitzRoy
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, School of Economics and Finance, University of St.
    Andrews; Research Fellow, IZA, Bonn
    Guglielmo Forges Davanzati
    Professor of Political Economy, University of Salento and Department of Land Economy,
    University of Cambridge
    Carlos Fortin
    Emeritus Fellow and Research Associate, Institute of Development Studies, University of
    Sussex
    Vasileios Fouskas
    Professor of International Politics and Economics, University of East London
    Daniela Gabor
    Professor of Economics and Macro-Finance, University of the West of England Bristol
    Giorgos Galanis
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
    Sara Gorgoni
    Associate Professor in Economics, University of Greenwich
    Ian Gough
    Visiting Professor in the Centre for Social Exclusion, London School of Economics
    Giorgos Gouzoulis
    Research Fellow, University College London
    Continued over.... / 5
    John Grahl
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, Middlesex University
    Martin Greeley
    Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex
    Alexander Guschanski
    Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
    Hassan Hakimian
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, SOAS, London
    Barbara Harriss-White
    Emeritus Professor, Wolfson College, Oxford
    Jostein Hauge
    Research Associate at the Institute for Manufacturing, University of Cambridge
    Judith Heyer
    Emeritus Fellow, Somerville College, Oxford
    Ariane Hillig
    Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
    Susan Himmelweit
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, Open University
    Peter Holmes
    Reader in Economics, University of Sussex
    Peter Howells
    Emeritus Professor of Monetary Economics, UWE Bristol
    Leslie Huckfield
    Lecturer, Glasgow School for Business and Society, Glasgow Caledonian University
    Tim Jackson
    Professor of Sustainable Development, University of Surrey
    Michael Jacobs
    Professorial Fellow, Sheffield Political Economy Research Institute, University of Sheffield
    Sir Richard Jolly
    Emeritus Professor, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex
    Emily Jones
    Associate Professor in Public Policy, Blavatnik School of Government, University of Oxford
    Annina Kaltenbrunner
    Associate Professor in the Economics of Globalisation and the International Economy,
    University of Leeds
    Continued over.... / 6
    Raphael Kaplinsky
    Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, and Honorary Professor,
    Science Policy Research Unit, University of Sussex
    Ewa Karwowski
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Hertfordshire
    Steve Keen
    Honorary Professor, University College London
    Effie Kesidou
    Associate Professor in Applied Economics, University of Leeds
    Mushtaq Khan
    Professor of Economics, SOAS, University of London
    Andy Kilmister
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, Oxford Brookes University
    Suzanne J Konzelmann
    Reader in Management, Birkbeck, University of London
    Sunil Mitra Kumar
    Lecturer in Economics, King’s College London
    Ingrid Harvold Kvangraven
    Lecturer in International Development, University of York
    Neil Lancastle
    Senior Lecturer, Accounting and Finance, De Montfort University
    Stewart Lansley
    Visiting Fellow, University of Bristol
    Costas Lapavitsas
    Professor of Economics, SOAS, University of London
    Clive Lawson
    Director of Studies in Economics, Girton College Cambridge
    Jane Lethbridge
    Principal Lecturer, Business Faculty, University of Greenwich
    Merle Lipton
    Visiting Research Fellow at King's College London
    Michael Lipton
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, Sussex University
    Emanuele Lobina
    Principal Lecturer, Public Services International Research Unit, University of Greenwich
    Continued over.... / 7
    Lorena Lombardozzi
    Lecturer in Economics, The Open University
    Pedro Mendes Loureiro
    Lecturer in Latin American Studies, University of Cambridge
    Terry McKinley
    Professor of Development Studies, SOAS, University of London
    Laurie Macfarlane
    Head of Patient Finance, UCL Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose
    Maureen Mackintosh
    Professor of Economics, The Open University
    Julia Martin-Ortegqa
    Professor of Ecological Economics, University of Leeds, UK
    Paul Mason
    Visiting Professor of Economics, Wolverhampton University
    Imko Meyenburg
    Senior Lecturer in Economics and International Business, Anglia Ruskin University
    Jo Michell
    Associate Professor of Economics, University of the West of England Bristol
    Jonathan Michie
    Professor of Innovation and Knowledge Exchange, University of Oxford
    Johnna Montgomerie
    Reader in International Political Economy and Head of Department, European and
    International Studies, King’s College London
    Simon Mohun
    Emeritus Professor of Political Economy, Queen Mary University of London
    Richard Murphy
    Professor of Practice in International Political Economy, City, University of London
    Bona Muzaka
    Reader in International Political Economy, King’s College London
    Natalya Naqvi
    Assistant Professor in International Political Economy, London School of Economics
    Susan Newman
    Associate Professor in Economics, University of the West of England
    Maria Nikolaidi
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
    Continued over.... / 8
    Dan O’Neill
    Associate Professor in Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
    Ozlem Onaran
    Professor of Economics, University of Greenwich
    Christine Oughton
    Professor of Management Economics, SOAS, University of London
    Carlos Oya
    Professor of Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
    Cem Oyvat
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
    José Gabriel Palma
    Emeritus Senior Lecturer, Faculty of Economics, Cambridge University
    John Palmer
    Former Political Director, European Policy Centre, Brussels
    Alberto Paloni
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Glasgow
    Marco Veronese Passarella
    Lecturer of Economics, University of Leeds
    Jonathan Perraton
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Sheffield
    Avinash Persaud
    Emeritus Professor, Gresham College; former senior banker, J.P.Morgan and State Street
    Ann Pettifor
    Director, Policy Research in Macroeconomics (PRIME)
    Valentino Piana
    Director of the Economics Web Institute
    Kate Pickett
    Professor of Epidemiology, Deputy Director of the Centre for Future Health, University of
    York
    Jeff Powell
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
    Kate Raworth
    Senior Associate, Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford
    Hugo Radice
    Life Fellow, School of Politics and International Studies, University of Leeds
    Continued over.... / 9
    Howard Reed
    Director, Landman Economics
    Matteo Rizzo
    Senior Lecturer in Development Studies, SOAS, University of London
    Pallavi Roy
    Lecturer in International Economics, SOAS University of London
    Shampa Roy-Mukherjee
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of East London
    Josh Ryan-Collins
    Head of Research, Institute for Innovation and Public Policy, University College London
    Magnus Ryner
    Professor of International Political Economy, King’s College London
    Alfredo Saad Filho
    Professor of Political Economy and International Development, King's College London
    Diego Sanchez-Ancochea
    Professor of the Political Economy of Development, University of Oxford
    Malcolm Sawyer
    Emeritus Professor of Economics, University of Leeds
    Gregor Semieniuk
    Lecturer in Economics, SOAS, University of London; Research Assistant Professor in
    Economics, University of Massachusetts Amherst
    Marianne Sensier
    Research Fellow in Economics, University of Manchester
    Mimoza Shabani
    Senior Lecturer in Financial Economics, University of East London
    Alan Shipman
    Lecturer in Economics, Open University
    Kalim Siddiqui
    Senior Lecturer in International Political Economy, University of Huddersfield
    Prem Sikka
    Professor of Accounting and Finance, University of Sheffield
    Andrew Simms
    Co-director, New Weather Institute; Research Associate, Centre for Global Political
    Economy, University of Sussex
    Continued over.... / 10
    Pritam Singh
    Visiting Scholar, Wolfson College, University of Oxford
    Alan Southern
    University of Liverpool Management School
    Guy Standing
    Professorial Research Associate, SOAS, University of London
    Julia Steinberger
    Professor of Social Ecology and Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
    Sara Stevano
    Postdoctoral Research Associate, European and International Studies, King’s College London
    Frances Stewart
    Emeritus Professor of Development Economics, University of Oxford
    Engelbert Stockhammer
    Professor of International Political Economy, King’s College London
    Beth Stratford
    Fellow at the New Economics Foundation
    Hanna Szymborska,
    Lecturer in Economics, Open University
    Jeff Tan
    Associate Professor in Political Economy, Aga Khan University, UK
    Paul Temple
    Reader in Economics, University of Surrey
    Geoff Tily
    Senior Economist, Trades Union Congress
    Jan Toporowski
    Professor of Economics and Finance, SOAS University of London
    Daniele Tori
    Lecturer in Finance, Open University Business School
    Mehmet Ugur
    Professor of Economics and Institutions, University of Greenwich
    Elvira Uyarra
    Reader in Innovation Management and Policy, University of Manchester
    Elisa Van Waeyenberge
    Senior Lecturer and Co-Head of Department of Economics, SOAS University of London
    Continued over.... / 11
    Roberto Veneziani
    Professor of Economics, Queen Mary University of London
    Ragupathy Venkatachalam
    Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
    Bhaskar Vira
    Professor of Political Economy and Head of Department of Geography, University of
    Cambridge
    Robert H. Wade
    Professor of Global Political Economy, London School of Economics and Political Science
    Geoff Whittam
    Reader Glasgow School for Business and Society, Glasgow Caledonian University
    John Weeks
    Professor Emeritus of Development Economics, SOAS University of London
    Rafael Wildauer
    Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
    Richard Wilkinson
    Professor Emeritus of Social Epidemiology, University of Nottingham.
    Christina Wolf
    Senior Lecturer in Economics, Kingston University
    Adrian Wood
    Emeritus Professor of International Development, University of Oxford
    Yuliya Yurchenko
    Senior Lecturer in Political Economy, University of Greenwich, UK

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    I also sometimes talk to the poor from the North, even Scottish people.
     
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    This picture is of a four year old admitted to Leeds General Infirmary suffering from pneumonia. There was no bed available for him so the staff put some coats down on the floor. Today when questioned about this the PM refused to look at the picture, and when a reporter tried to show it to him, took the reporters phone away and put it in his pocket.
    Johnson when faced with facts such as these, says that the last government was nothing to do with him. He needs to be reminded he was in the cabinet that pushed through cuts to NHS funding, resulting in a shortage of beds and staff.
     
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    Not a great fan of polls, but this one taken over the last three days shows a similar shift in opinion in the final week of the 2017 election.

    CON: 42% (-)
    LAB: 36% (+1)
    LDEM: 12% (-1)
    BREX: 3% (-)

    This puts us back into a hung parliament situation.
     
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    Of course the other poll gave the Tories a 14 point lead.




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    It is a diversion away from the news on the NHS, or it is a plan to sell it off.
     
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    You make the point well SH that polls are a bad guide to what people are actually thinking, which is why I am no great fan of them.
     
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    The pictures show one leader out with the people, while the other speaks to a few in a factory. Those of you old enough might remember John Major won an election against all the odds and predictions by getting his soapbox out and engaging with the public.
     
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    It's a threat by Johnson, probably because of the Neill monologue the other night. They did the same to Channel 4 after the ice sculpture night. It's basically the Government trying to ensure they remain free of criticism, Johnson had another tantrum.
     
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