General Election 2019

They will need somewhere to dump Corbyn and McDonnell on the 4th consecutive defeat.

 

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They really look so dangerous a mob that the PM didn't feel able to carry on with his visit to Glastonbury.

 

These Momentum losers will look like the real twats on Dec 13th, they must be getting soooooooooo desperate.

 

Nigel Farage


Even Boris Johnson’s Chief Strategic Adviser Sir Edward Lister is calling our candidates and offering them jobs if they withdraw. The system is corrupt and broken.

Desperation setting in a bit early I would have thought.

 

Agreed, desperate to achieve over a 100 seat majority.

 

Conservatives
are showing their true arrogant colours alright! Perhaps they'll change their tune when they realise that we
@brexitparty_uk
supporters might decide NOT to lend them our votes in seats they hope to retain. It's not as if Boris's deal is Brexit anyway.

 

Support for the Brexit Party has halved in the last week or so. It is now down with the Greens on a paltry 4%. I expect it to halve again before the election.

 

Yay for the Tories

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I have seen the flooding across large areas of England, including the area where I used to live. The costs of this disaster will run into many millions of pounds. Some of this could have been avoided. Every two years the council comes around these parts and clean out all the ditches. Yes it must have some cost, but what does it save in both money and distress? Local councils in the UK have been screwed down to such low levels that something like ditch clearing will be something they can cut out. The reports say that in the UK a lot of the water is coming off the fields, the very thing that cleared ditches can help with water disposal. It makes no sense to me to reduce spending on simple preventative measures such as this so that a few rich people can have their tax bill reduced a bit further.

 

Scores of people die in France because of the deep ditches on the sides of roads instead of having a proper drainage system. We can do without that example thanks.

 

Everytime you comment on France those of us who do or have lived here wonder what on earth you are talking about. You do yourself a disservice. Are you actually saying that you approve of people wading about inside their homes so that others can have a tax reduction. It sounds like that is what you are saying.

 

I'm talking about you misguidedly bragging about the use of ditches. These cause many unnecessary deaths in France because they are used as the cheapest way to take any excess water away from the roads. We use drains in the UK. Your silly comment about the flooding is not worth a response.

 

You really are displaying plain ignorance now. Drains in rural areas? You must be joking. I lived in a village in the UK and the drains were within the boundary of the village, but outside it was all ditches. Just because you are a townie it is little excuse for not knowing about rural management. If your wonderful system is so successful, why is it failing? You really cannot carry on showing such disdain for your fellow citizens and their distress so that you can worry about about your tax bill.

 

France uses ditches because of the cheapness despite them adding to the horrendous death toll on French roads. More ditches in the UK would not have saved many of the flooded areas, the problem is much more complicated than that. By the way, I have lived in the countryside since the late 70's, apart from a couple of years near Toulouse.

You really are showing signs of desperation now all the polls point to a Tory majority and a hard Brexit.

 

Maybe you should consider how your inability to discuss issues, only talk about polls, makes you look such a sad person. To be so dismissive of others who are up to their knees in water says a great deal about you.

 

This is not just a matter of price SH. An open ditch allows water to move fully away from a road surface and also continuously intercepts rain water flowing to the road from adjacent land. Water is less likely to accumulate on roads than if a storm sewer system /pipe system is used. So for the intended purpose they are more effective. An open ditch has more capability than a piped system to reduce flooding - it also helps to maintain healthy water quality in receiving streams. I suggest that if some drivers find them dangerous then they should stick to the roads !

 

What I find disappointing about political discussions such as the one on this board and generally else where is that anyone with a Conservative point of view is generally vilified for holding it and Conservative policies are judged as malicious. I don't agree with Socialism, although like any philosophy there are some good elements that can be taken on board. I certainly don't vilify socialist thinkers - in fact my long standing best friend is one and we have some good discussions and banter. I also do not think socialist policies are malicious, they are just different and held with genuine belief that they are good.

A significant proportion of the population hold Conservative views, if they were extreme, then they would fast become a minority view. Conservatives in the UK cannot be compared to Hitler, Mussolini and similar despots, not even Jacob comes close to any of these.

In my lifetime Conservative governments have not harmed this country, in fact I think they have done a lot of good and have often cleared up the mess of an outgoing Labour administration - but I am not wanting to argue that point here.

One reason I think that Conservative views are vilified is that they often appear to go against the opposite Socialist view which often occupies the moral high ground which on the face of them they purport to be inclusive, support those they think are disadvantaged or a minority in society or the workplace because some wealthy or powerful person or group wishes to take advantage of them or because they are perceived to be different. This makes it difficult for Conservative thinkers to challenge these views and suggest that these outcomes can be achieved in a different Conservative way.

Perhaps some of our Conservative contributors and readers can outline a Conservative view of the world without resorting to much of the Brexit/Remainer, Boris/Corbyn, Clique/SH bashing that pervades this stream.

I will venture a few thoughts to hopefully start things off:

1. I believe people should be responsible for their actions and the consequences of them.
2. I want minimal interference from governments so that people can live their lives as they want to, subject to what any reasonable person would consider sensible laws.
3. I want to pay fair taxes, which should never be excessive, so that people are encouraged to generate wealth, keep it and pass it to whoever they wish.
4. I want the government to ensure that those who find themselves disadvantaged through no fault of their own to be given support so they can get back on their feet so they can start to enjoy item 2 above again.

That's enough for now, I hope our Socialist thinkers will consider these comments and just accept them as a different point of view.

 

Thanks for that cologne. I could have written the same thing, but sometimes it seems pointless with SH.

 

I will accept them as a different point of view Scully, but also add a commentary - number 4 is ok but:
1. No man is an island - the rich man did not become rich in a desert, someone else built the infrastructure around him which allowed this to happen. Social mobility is at it's lowest point in the UK for about the last 50 years. The chances of a child born after the 80s actually rising on the social scale have been measurably less than prior to that period - I'm afraid that is statistically proved. I cannot cast judgement on a beggar on the streets because, in some way, his misfortune is connected to my success - and I do not know the chain of events which led to him being in that state. He may have made mistakes in life - we all do, but the rich do not get punished quite so hard for their mistakes. If everybody is responsible for their own actions this can become an excuse for doing nothing to help anyone - so I would apply this maxim to myself, but not to anyone else. Unfortunately the rich man in his castle has always managed to find a philosophy which justifies his success, and clings to it, and the idea that anyone can make it if they work hard enough is that philosophy - a philosophy invented by the millionaire. The problem is that in 90% of cases it just isn't true.
2. Minimal interference from government normally results in maximum interference from corporate power - which reduces your freedoms even more than the state could do.
3. The infrastructure which allowed a person to become rich needs to be paid for and it is only fair that the rich pay more for it. Actually the deal which you get for your tax money - laws, protection for private property, police, hospitals, schools, roads etc. isn't too bad when reduced to a purely market relationship - try living in Somalia without all of that and see how much protection money you will end up paying. Actually I pay more for my health insurance here than I do in taxes - which really is a rip off in comparison - for my taxes I get value for money.

 

I fully understand why you shy away from all polls at the moment with the Tories so far ahead. I'm extremely happy at the prospect of the Conservatives remaining in power with the odds finally on Brexit in January. A couple more wins for Watford and then it will be an excellent end to the year.