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General Election 2019

Discussion in 'Watford' started by colognehornet, Oct 31, 2019.

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General Election 2019

  1. Labour

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  2. Tory

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  3. Lib. Dem

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
  4. Green Party

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
  5. Brexit Party

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  6. SNP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. None of the above

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  9. My legs because they support me

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
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  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    The public, quite rightly, see Corbyn and his cronies as the real risk to national security.

    Boris on the other hand is becoming more popular than ever, but it's lots of bad news for Corbyn (again).
     
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    It should not surprise anyone that Boris and Farage both support Brexit. Farage is NOT happy with Boris'd deal, he has realised taking a too firm stance could let the hapless Corbyn in through the back door as happened in the Labour leadership election. Nobody thought he would ever be taken seriously.
     
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    Sources that Corbyn is a security risk?
     
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  4. colognehornet

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    I should wait until the release of the Labour Party election manifesto before writing them off SH. There are enough people in the UK who will decide their vote on actual policies to make the difference. You cannot last a whole 6 weeks talking only about getting Brexit done, and slandering the opposition over supposed anti semitism. Sooner or later we will come back to the bread and butter issues which normally decide elections, and people will talk less about Brexit and more about whether they want to give the most neo liberal, right wing administration ever seen in the UK. run by a PM who could be carted off to prison mid term, a majority for the next 5 years.
     
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    Is it normal for Tory ministers and advisors to have their relationships with Russians called into question? It is quite factual that some are donating to the Tory party, no one can dispute that, but the leaked report suggests it goes further than that. It is little wonder Johnson sought to suppress the report. I have noticed that the MPs who compiled it are keeping silent, showing some honour, but it seems to be the season for letting nasties out in Trumpland
     
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  6. superhorns

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    Labour is dreadfully handicapped by it's unpopular leader, even the young have lost patience with his weak style. The most recent poll puts Johnson ahead on decisiveness 55/16, strength 49/17, likability 46/21, and more even trustworthiness 25/24

    You have a massive turnaround required. Johnson has stolen a march on Labour with the NHS, Police and schooling. The public are very wary of Labour promising to spend silly uncosted amounts of borrowed money. I'm sure there will be dips but no other opposition has ever gained power with an unpopular party and leader before let alone being so far behind.
     
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    You need a story about three in a bed with Boris and Putin to stand any chance of a turnaround !!!:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    please log in to view this image
     
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    Not constructive debate, do the clique have different rules?
     
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    Makes the point rather well though. Sometimes "a picture can paint a thousand words." Frederick R. Barnard
     
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  11. superhorns

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    You should stick to your original brief.

    Do you mean this?

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    Britain remains under EU rules but with no vote, no voice, no veto.

    During the Withdrawal Agreement’s extendable ‘transition period’ (which lasts until at least the end of 2020 and almost certainly years longer), we won’t withdraw from the EU at all but become non-voting members. We will still be trapped in the EU customs union and single market, subject to all existing EU laws and any punitive new ones they might pass (Articles 4.1, 4.2, 6, 41, 95.1, 127). And we’ll be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) (Arts 4.4, 4.5, 86, 87, 89, 95.3, 131, 158, 163). The difference is we won’t have any say (Arts 7.1, 34).

    Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?

    Yes you can find this on the Brexit party website still.
     
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  13. superhorns

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    Keep up, this is out of date. Johnson today ruled out any extension to the transition period. In many ways a transition period is sensible to avoid any short term disruption to trade. I did not take you for an advocate of a no deal Brexit.? In the circumstances, with the lack of a majority to overcome the wrecking remoaner MPs, Johnson's renegotiated deal is perfectly acceptable. Well done Boris. You can see why his ratings are improving all the time.
     
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    Seeing as the Tories and Brexit Ltd. are all as one now, perhaps we can revisit the question I asked SH, but so far he has not replied.

    The Treaty creates a de facto customs and regulatory border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Britain. Goods moving between NI and Britain will be checked. Citizens living in NI would effectively be staying in the EU, without any say in their laws, for at least four years after the transition and quite possibly forever. In other words, the UK gives up part of its sovereign territory —for what? (“Backstop” Protocol Articles 5 and 6.2

    So who is right? Johnson, Barclay or Farage.
     
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    Nigel Farage claimed he was offered a peerage 48 hours before blinking first. Of course he turned it down. "They thought they can buy me, a high-paid job; but I'm not interested, I don't want to know.”
     
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    I'm just hoping that everyone comes through this election campaign safely. According to reports the vandalism is already starting in some leave voting areas, directed against the property of houses with Labour, Lib Dem or Green posters on display - a certain amount of this happens at all elections, but when words like 'traitor' are sprayed on walls it is obvious that the thugs on the streets are mirroring some of the rhetoric which has been used in Parliament. Hate mail is on the rise, just as death threats are a growing perk of the trade for MPs who back remain. Many party activists will now only be able to go around in small groups, because to do it alone is asking for trouble. So where are we living ? in a banana republic where such things are a part and parcel of politics ? It is obvious which side the hate is coming from - it is obvious from the rhetoric used - that some in the new modern Tory Party find it good that the moderates are being squeezed out of the party - after all they are ''traitors'' against the ''will of the people''. This belonged to the rhetoric of monumental historical events like the French Revolution - it does not belong in the accepted political rhetoric of 21st Century Britain. It is time that the Brexiteers stopped fanning the flames of hate and division in this way.
     
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    The anger at those MPs that betrayed the will of the people and went back on their earlier promises to respect the referendum will face the full wrath of the public through the election process. Many have already resigned knowing they will be chucked out of office for their lack of democracy. Any aggressive behaviour on both sides is not acceptable, we don't want to end up with the kind of civil disobedience regularly seen in France and Germany.
     
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    You have, on previous occasions, said that if Brexit was denied that there would be rioting in the streets - if the wrath of the public through the election process is denied them then this is a possibility. You say that such behaviour is unacceptable - but still use the same rhetoric which is driving it ie ''betrayed the will of the people'' so it appears that you condone such actions because your language is designed to inflame and incite such a reaction. By the way which 'civil disobediance' are you refering to in Germany ? On the whole it is a much safer country than the UK is.
     
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    Germany has a serious problem of far right groups attacking immigrants.

    Stating 'the will of the people' has been betrayed by some MPs and UK negotiators is not inciting violence, it is simply stating the obvious. I repeat any anger should be confined to voting against those that lacked the respect for the referendum result. I would be quite happy with a thumping Tory majority for the next five years.
     
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    Fears over Germany's violent far-right grow after Halle attack ...https://www.thelocal.de › fears-over-germanys-violent-far-right-grow-after...
    German far-right terror group members jailed for attacks - BBC ...https://www.bbc.com › news › world-europe-43316735
     
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