People have been writing Arsenal off for years, and United too. We will continue to prove them wrong.
Every season the Arsenal board say Wenger has plenty of money to spend but he still won't pay a penny too much to strengthen his team.
with a wage bill that's 107% of turnover and a new signing on 200k/wk, i can't see Man City dominating world football. as soon as the FFP regulations come in strong in 3 years time they'll be out of the Champions League with no way back. 3 years is nowhere near enough time to progress the rest of their corporate development up to the required level, and they're losing VAST amounts each month on players they can't sell on because their wages are too high. Man City can dominate the Premiership, but they will not dominate the more lucrative European Competitions because they'll be excluded.
EVERY Player's Contract signed before 1st June 2010, and EVERY Penny of it, is EXCLUDED from the losses they incur. SORRY FOR SHOUTING!!! But it seems this ickle detail is being overlooked. In Citeh's case, that accounts for more than half of their Wagebill. So £70M of their losses won't even be taken to account. FFPR will be circumvented, until it is ignored, and the 1st minute UEFA get tough with a rich Club, UEFA itself will be circumvented, and the Clubs will run themselves
how many times are you going to persist with the same completely unreasoned drivel? the clubs have all signed up to this, they WANT these rules to come in. it benefits Man Utd, Arsenal, even Chelsea are trying to turn things around. Definitely benefits Spurs, and will benefit Liverpool. that's fine then, since June 2010 City have signed: Aguero Savic Clichy Toure Silva Henshall Kolarov Balotelli Milner Dzeko And I'd bet they're all on GOOD money Fact is, City have some SERIOUS trimmings to do!! They've already resorted to allegedly dodgy sponsorship deals in order to try and bring in a little extra income. Right now they're in the worst position of all the top clubs with regards to FFP. The rules are already in, they're here to stay, because it makes football sustainable long-term and that's the aim of FIFA, and UEFA. There will be no breakaway because the top clubs get enough money from the CL & UEFA Cup. There's no murmers of discontent ANYWHERE because all the clubs are happy with their slice of the pie. They all signed up to FFP, they weren't forced into it.
So 10 Players salaries will be taken into account. That's all. If they are on an average of £130K a week, let's say £7M a year, that is £70M The other £70M, will not count. They will generate £40M in additional prize money for last season (incl Champions League to come) All of a sudden, as far as the FFPR is concerned, they are in profit! It is a joke, and when it becomes serious, it will be fkd right off. Money talks.
Almost all the contracts that players are on now, save for those signed within the last year, will be renewed within the next 3 years since players want pay rises, or the club doesn't want to lose them for free, or a reduced fee with a year remaining. Even with 20m from Champions League for getting through the group stage, every year for the next 3 years, they are going to struggle. Wages can only be 60% of turnover I believe, City currently stand at 107%. While I appreciate that many contracts currently don't count, in 3 years time they will do. And they have to break even over a running 3 year average. Fact is, City are in the worst position of all the top clubs with regards to this at present. They're signing new players on mega wages, while existing players are unhappy because their wages aren't as high, so they're demanding more. It's an upward spiral that is completely unsustainable.
No 60% rule. €45M loss permitted over 3 years. All infrastructure/youth development costs taken out of equation. There is no chance of UEFA upsetting one of the big boys, UEFA only exist, because they allow them to
Well I guess it depends eventually on who has more steel, doesn't it? Clubs can hire teams of accountants and lawyers to fight their corner while UEFA have said that they would pursue acts of circumvention and see them as a violation of the FFP rules. If UEFA were to exclude one or more of the offending big boys I don't see that the other big boys will go against UEFA simply because they all realise that the rules are there for their benefit. As they belong to the FA and the FA are in turn a part of UEFA, UEFA will be in a position to win the day. Take as an example, the case of Formula 1. No single motoring organisation of any country has been able to go against the FIA. To me it's the same with UEFA especially as the ' ultimate ' governing body sanctions all the major competitions in which the members of each FA hope to participate in. Now the matter of how the FFP will be observed is really up to UEFA's officials. It will be ultimately successful IMHO if UEFA has enough steel to weather any storm any of the big boys may kick up. Even if they do, I don't see the big boys winning through. Getting back to Ivan Gazidis for a moment if I may. I thought that he had his hand on the purse strings at Arsenal and while Arsene may want a particular player, the final say and certainly the negotiations may be conducted by Ivan Gazidis. Is my understanding correct or does Arsene have the final say in choice and negotiations?
One top European Club is all it would take, exclusion wouldn't just see the Lawyers of XYZ FC reaching for the phone, Ford, Amstel, Sony et al would have more to say about this, SKY, Canal+ etc would be ahead of them. The Clubs do not need UEFA or FIFA, K-H R made that very clear yesterday
If the other clubs are all in line with the FFP Rules, they'll have no problems with a club being excluded. In fact, if a big team is excluded, it improves their chances of winning the competition!! As explained NUMEROUS times, there will be NO lawyer action because the competitions are invite only. There will be NO legal action - because there is NO comeback to something you have to be INVITED to take part in. Drop that argument already!!!
We've heard this type of comment from the Board in the past few seasons and no signings of any substance have materalised, ( I do not consider Kosnielny, Squilacci or Chamakh to be 'big' names or of sufficient quality for the Premiership). Gazizdis is potentially making a rod for his own back by saying Wenger would buy an 'established world class player' as we all know this won't happen. We all know from bitter experience that Wenger only buys, 17 year olds, 2nd rate French League 2 players and old 'has beens' eg Silvestre, Sol and Jens Leopards don't change their spots.
The Clubs are Invited now. UEFA organises the Competition now. If they do so in such a manner that the most powerful Clubs disagree with, they will do it themselves, don't you get it, with the Clubs UEFA is NOTHING. Without UEFA the Clubs can just organise it themselves
The idea of clubs organising their own league depends on whether they will be sufficient in both number and quality to offer a credible alternative. If I may....... if say Chelsea, Man U, Barca and AC Milan decide to quite UEFA but the other big clubs do not follow them, then whatever league which they may set up could possibly consist of them and a bunch of other clubs which will never have any hope of success nor be able to attract investment to secure any success. Therefore such a breakaway will have limited appeal except for those clubs which prefer to continue flouting the FFP rules. It's like F1. For years there had been talk of a breakaway but each time, it remains just that an idea. This is because the breakaway teams in F1 could never secure enough teams to come away with them to form a credible alternative to the current FIA-sanctioned competition. The FIA could always count on the support of all or most of the national motoring associations which make up the FIA in the first place. They hold all the TV rights, sanction all the circuits etc. Now football need not be an exact copy of F1 but would a breakaway secure enough numbers with which to form a credible breakaway or is it all just posturing?
I agree with Robin van Bergkamp. The majority of clubs in Europe support the idea of FFP rules... if Man City decide to flout them they may do so alone, perhaps one or two other clubs will join them. Either way they will never garner enough support to form a breakaway league.
Since when has 'the majority of football clubs' had anything to say about anything? Do you think that The Football League and it's 92 Clubs wanted The Premier League? Did they ****! Just the 22 Clubs up at the top, who wanted ALL the money themselves. It will happen on a European basis too. Greed knows no boundaries
The big clubs will find ways around the financial fair play rules. City have already sponsored themselves!
They have, but UEFA have no had enough time to go into detail and check this deal City have made. Lets wait and see what they do because if the deal is not market price then its clear cheating from City.
