Slightly overpaid? a bit more than slightly mate either way i agree with you. liverpool should buy Dann or Samba both as good if not better than cahill in my opinion and both cheaper. And yes Dann is 1 year or so younger than cahill and him being a liverpool fan must help.
I wouldn't say we overpaid massively. We sold Torres for 50mil and needed a striker straight away. Forget about the sums say we sold Torres for 30mil which would have been more realistic, then in theory we would have got Carrol for 15mil which is about right? Henderson was slightly overpriced (10mil would have been better) but being young has potential and Downing was about right considering we desperately needed a winger and with Villa having just sold Young, they weren't going to just sell Downing on the cheap. Samba I'm not too sure. Would be great against long ball teams & attacking corners but we have Soto for that.
You want £6 mill for N'gog apparently, but I would be happy with this. N'gog isn't the best of strikers, but he has got to be better than Elmander and he is used to being back-up so if he turns out to be **** then it's all good. And, N'gog turned the game around at the Reebok.
**** me, I'm not the only one who thinks Zat Knight is a good defender. All the Bolton fans think he is **** and should be replaced by Wheater (Knight that is), but I think he is a great defender for Bolton.. Gary Cahill is improving with every month, so I would go for it
If it was someone we desperately needed, I'd agree. But we aren't hugely in need of a CB, and even if we do become in need of one, there's plenty of fish in that sea. Worth the risk.
I agree. There is a lot of panic being shown at the moment. Lets look at our present options - Carra, Skrtl, Agger, posibly Kelly, Ayalla, Wilson and Soto. We already have enough bodies so why complicate matters further by rushing out to buy? The trick will be to weld our existing players into a strong unit. What we have seen in the pre-season matches is nowhere near what we will play when the season starts.
You'd never have got carrol for 15m as newcastle was incrediably reluctunt to sell him in the first place, they said it right at the begining of the transfer window you'd need like 30m, which is just not worth it. yes henderson is young but i just dont think he'll live up to his 20m price tag, he had 2 or so good months at sunderland and wasnt even close to one of their best players. Downing yes you did need a winger so it was understandable but there were probabaly better option but admidtly i think he'll do good for you guys. And Samba is pretty solid at tackling the good and speedy strikers, see his match against man united i think it was, that really impressed me. If it was me personally id choose dann or samba ( probably dann ) EDIT: at bolton4europe yeah i like zat knight, big strong can clear a ball with his head decent tackler, only downside is hes getting pretty old ( reaching 32 i think?) but i was impressed with him last season. cahill was obv good or there wouldnt be so much intreset but id just look at other options if it was my club.
I know we wouldn't have got Carrol for 15mil but we shouldn't have got 50mil for Torres. My point was, ignore the actual numbers, in theory we got 15mil and Carrol for Torres which was a great deal. Plus Henderson wasn't 20mil, was more around 16mil from what I've heard, and even DC said all the numbers flying around were'nt accurate so could have been slightly less. Re Downing - Name me a better left winger in the premiership that was available? Back to the original point - Samba isn't too bad but doesnt fit the profile for the type of player FSG are after i.e being young and british. If it was a choice of Dann and Samba for what will probably be similar money, I'd go for Dann everytime.
I've been saying this on and off since the end of last season and I can't be bothered wheeling out the argument all over again, so I'll just state that I think we need another experienced CB. It's not panic, I'm not being pessimistic or doom mongering, it's simply an analytical look at our squad and identifying an area where I think we may encounter problems through injury or suspension.
I don't think we will go for Cahill, has there really been that much interest in him? Scott Dann looks to be a realistic target, Samba will probably go to Arsenal or Everton. Dann would be a good price but I still would like to see a German at the back.
Is it complicating matters? Having another body on the bench which is an improvement on what's already there is a step forward. As much as Soto has been legend for £2m he can be improved on easily and Wilson is clearly one for the future if he stays. Cahill or Dann would improve squad depth. Bill Gates said, "The best time to upgrade is always now." So we could wait until January but then find we're competing with a club or two who've had injuries or have a CB in the same position who's leaving. Better to get them now if we need them now.
Well firstly had newcastle offered you carrol and 15m for torres every liverpool fan would have said no, dont deny it. your just saying you'd accept it because hes been ****e at chelsea but at the time every liverpool fan wanted torres to stay and thought he'd get back to his old self, that saying "you hate him so much because you loved him so much" is probably true. Secondly why does it have to be a premiership winger? as theres clearly not that many good ones, and i argued it before i think nzogbia is both better than downing and cheaper than downing ( by 10m ). The only reason you'd go for dann is because hes british and about 3 years younger, cause i dont think hes better in any way. but it is true he has more potential at liverpool than samba because the fact that hes a liverpool fan he'd try harder, and the orginal point was that i would buy either samba or dann above cahill if i was a liverpool fan.
There is a reason Henderson won't live up to a £20 million price tag...He cost £16 million...he has to live up to a £16 million price tag.
After Torres said that he wanted to go, I don't think many people wanted him at the club anymore and the way he hasd been at Chelsea and in the previous 2 seasons with us, with all his injuries and poor form then it wasn't a massive loss. Downing is the type of winger we needed though, someone who is going to stay out wide and get crosses in for Carrol. N'zogbia is a totally different type of player to Downing and not what we would need. He likes to cut in from the right and hardly ever stays wide and puts balls into the boz. Stats say that Downing was one of the most consistant crossers of the ball last season so should bring out the best in Carrol. Plus he's premiership proven so you know what you are going to get with him, unlike someone that is coming in from a different league. That's not the only reason I'd go for Dann. He came into the Premiership and didn't look out of place and Birmingham totally collapsed after he got injured last season. He's probably not the only reason that happened but I reckon they wouldn't have got relegated if he hadn't been injured. We also still need a left back which should be much more of a priority!
I agree the left back area is more of a priority as we need a back-up centre back and a first choice left back in other words experience for Jack Robinson to learn from.
let's look at our present options Right Back: Johnson, Flannigan, Kelly Centre backs: Carra, Agger, Skrtl, Kelly, Wisdon, Ayalla, Wilson, Soto Left back: Insua, Robinson, Aurelio, Johnson There's more than enough talent and experience in there already. There's also cross-cover. So, I really don't see the urgent need to make a panic buy. So far, in our pre-season we haven't even tried to play anything that would resemble a strong/established back 4. Everybody has been given 'pitch-time' but not in a formation that they would normally expect. The next 2 games will start to show us what our 'normal' defence will/could look like. Having said that, if a bargin can be found then let's go for it. But if I were John Henry my question would be "what's wrong with what you've got?" before I reached for the cheque book.
It won't necessarily be a case of 'rushing out' to buy anyone, or even a 'panic buy'. If someone is brought in, you can be sure they've been thoroughly researched.
Why do you feel the urge to make such generalisations? The majority of fans wanted Torres to stay, yes, but not all of them. Anyone could see that his heart wasn't in it any more, and the more measured fan would see his departure as good business, even if it was inevitable. Carroll is young and was quite a hot property at the time, so not every fan would be disappointed with that. Also, as Liverpool fans, not owners, we don't 'buy' anyone.
Well when liverpool fans were about to seel torres i didnt see one article on 606 or any of my freinds saying they wanted him to go, everyone said you should do everything to keep him and never sell him to chelsea, and when he was sold most of you liverpool fans went baslistic on 606. dont deny it its true. Carrol wasnt hot property either, well not really the only teams him for him were you and the spuds and spurs stopped bidding when newcastle asked for like 20-25m. And i never said you buy anyone just saying instead of being a fake admit when its a bad buy. obviously you have to support the player who joined but dont go thiking it was the best possible buy like alot of you do ( not all ). So sorry for generalisaing but i dindt see one person who wanted torres sold before he was sold if you know what im saying.
