Garry Monk is the Premier League's top boss

Totally agree, Stumpy. But it depends on each person's personality and outlook and nobody should criticise anyone else for that imo. Some people are completely hysterical over Monk and how brilliant he is and I get that but I won't react like that because it's not me. I'm more of a 'done-great-so-far-and-deserves-a-lot-of-credit' kinda guy but I've been around long enough to be wary of things going tits up. That's just the way I am - a cautious cove. Maybe it's memories of Tosh. No right or wrong.

IMO the only fans who are definitely wrong are those who point blank refuse to give any credit to Monk and I've seen none on here.

 

No one is 'completely hysterical' about Monk at all kiff and just saying that is a very defensive response to the fact that Monk is a very successful manager. Posters, the vast majority, are simply talking about the consistently positive reports that coming from all media. If you can think of one other than the golden two who have a negative response then advise please.

We are enjoying this great time we find ourselves. It is negative posters using words like 'hysterical' to describe their views are the ones needing to take a long look. I suggest you reassess your view by reading posts, reports, watching TV pundits and maybe watching a game. I can't believe any one who watches us play could harbor negative views to our young fledgling manager.

What I find odd is that there still exists a minority who resent Monk, his achievements and any fan who applauds him by labeling us as Monkees, fatuous to be sneered at for having positive views about our wonderful club and superb manager at this time.

The hysterics you refer to I suggest you re read the posts and learn to discriminate between hysteria and happyness.

Your missing so much, we've moved on from where we were, come with us

 

Well I'm not being over the top regarding Monk, that much I do know, but I'm sure most on here are over the moon with the way he has matured us as a top Premier league team, and we now have a tough spine to our team also. Seems to me that a few on here want to water down what Monk is doing because he has proved them wrong, anyway whichever way you look at it, surely this is a time for us Jacks to truly jump for joy, because what we have achieved this time round has well and truly eclipsed what Toshacks one season wonder did. .........

 

The main difference between what Toshack achieved and the potential to what Monk can do is that the Club now has a solid foundation built up over the past few years .The old 1st Division was then a step too far for us , no money , small crowds with a Stadium and no facilities to support us .Now not only do we have in place all of the above but along with it the extra bonus of TV money which was never around before.The squad is stronger more talented and I'd say better than anything we've had in the past ( an interesting debate for another thread ?).The game has moved on since the eighties but the ambitions remain the same , to be the best we can be and I believe thats Monks mantra as well .

 

Whats forgotten too Matt is that we sank as quickly as we rose under Toshack. Our then board of directors, spent so much money on old Liverpool players, who played for exorbitant wages when compared to the other players in the team, that our financial plan became impossible to sustain.

This was realised in the summer after our great success and players were sold, left or jumped ship when it became clear that we were facing financial ruin if the chasm between income and expenditure was allowed to grow. As we all know we sank like lead shot to the unfathomable bottom of the old fourth division. Changes in the board room made little difference, the damage had been done and except for a couple of bounces lived at the base of the professional football league pyramid until 2003 vs Hull when our heroic climb truly began.

Three goals and some board room shenanigans later, our current board, along with we fans, all pitched in to save our club and guess what? we did I personally find it absolutely hysterical ( the correct use of the word kiff) that HJ, our board, anyone or everyone who has helped us rise and sustain our position has at some point bore the brunt of ridicule, innuendo and childish abuse from the same few weak boys, who are now hurling a bitch at Monk

Re: Our board, They DID save the club from bankruptcy, they HAVE since guided us through dark times into the spotlight of success. They HAVE breathed hope into a hopeless cause and they ARE the main reason we are where we are. in case any one has forgotten, the best time for our club, ever. The amasing thing is we have the potential to do more with potentially the BEST SQUAD we've ever had, built on a SHOESTRING which has made Swansea City Football Club the envy of many clubs and the benchmark for many more.

Re Monk: He DID completely overhauled the changing room after he took over form the previous incumbent. He DID relieve it of its burdens, he DID supplemented and fed it with players considered to be of a right mindset and able to fight well for the cause. While rebuilding the character of the changing room he DID simultaneously change our playing philosophy by killing off the 'Swansealona' tag and replacing it with a new style plug'n'play philosophy. Players and tactics can now be easily interchanged according to need of the game. Not always pretty but pretty effective.

All of the above can be corroborated and confirmed through a plethora of different media reports and little if any can be considered pure speculation so once again, for the umpteenth time I ask those with a gripe who whinge and moan at everything that is good about Swansea City to tell us what it is you think, what has convinced you to think the way you do, where are the sources to corroborate the story you've puked on here since we dumped the Pyrite that was Laudrup.

I expect nothing or an empty post of innuendo, name calling especially from the one who speaks volumes but says nothing other than calling us names and cowardly hiding behind the 'I've got a right to think as what I want but I wont explain it because it is meaningless drivel'

If no one can disprove the facts above then they must be correct and through lack of examination of any counter argument then any theories and innuendo outside of these well know and verifiable facts can once and for all be cast to the trash bin where they belong.

 

"No one is 'completely hysterical' about Monk at all kiff and just saying that is a very defensive response to the fact that Monk is a very successful manager."

No it's not. It's an observation, nothing more. It's my opinion and there's nothing 'negative' or 'defensive' in that at all because I've said he's done a great job. Just because posters refuse to get too carried away and are keeping their feet on the ground that doesn't mean they should be vilified or even criticised for it. Different strokes for different folks.

Oh, and I've no idea who the 'golden two' are. Actually I've seen nobody at all with a negative response. There shouldn't be any at all with that view right now.

 

What I say,is just "what I say". It's always my opinion,an independent one, not made to curry favour with the gang/mob.

You wouldn't recognise "the truth"if it fell on your head.

 

FFS lads keep it on topic. Ive had a gutsful of every thread starting to go sour again.

There is no need for ANYONE to take thinned veiled swipes in posts at anyone.
If you disagree with each others views then use the ignore button.
It's simple.

 

Respecting a posters opinion works both ways ,something that seems to be overlooked especially when Monk's name is mentioned

 

Well, statistics would indicate otherwise. Toshack's achievement in his so called one season wonder,was to accumulate 69 points,and never falling below 6th place. Monk's one season wonder was 56 points and 8th place. Try arguing those figures.

 

'And I've seen none on here". Neither have I,Kiff,but that won't stop certain posters proclaiming it.

 

But the FACTS prove you are wrong yet again Some people

 

Just because you have a police badge as an avatar doesn't mean you're the internet cops!

 

Usual drivel from you! No reasonable jack would take your stupid stance and argue that Toshack achieved greater things, and I don't even think that Toshack would argue that his 6th finish in the old 1st division equates to the same position in the much tougher Premier league. Your position is clearly poisoned by what Monk has achieved and you grasp at any stupid nonsense to defend your sad anti-Monk position, to be honest it's laughable if it wasn't so sad............

 

You cant compare monks first 18 months to tosh's for the simple reason tosh was div 4. Monks first 18 months has been in the hardest league to do well in and that puts monk on the top of all the previous managers.....nobody comes close to what monk has done....Sousa is the closest and the next best manager we have had.....

 

Only Welsh men allowed to comment on this board, now bog off and stop picking on our mods, only we are allowed to do that......

 

Well Vetch there more teams in the division back then, so meaning 4 more games, so if we had those now I would say we probably win 2 and get a draw and a loss, so 63 points.

Another way to look at is how many points in the top flight has each manager achieved, and the average points scored per game

Toshack
69 points - 81/2 season - 42 games
41 points - 82/3 season - 42 games
110 points - total
1.34 points a game on average

Monk

18 Points - 03/02/14 to end of season - 14 games
56 Points - 2014/5 Season - 38 games
8 Points - 2015/6 Season - 4 games
82 points - to date
1.46 points a game on average

So if we continue this to the end of the season we should be on 55 points at the end. Safe and proof positive that Monk achieved more in the top flight than Toshack

 

I have quoted the facts. If you choose to ignore them,well,"some people".

 

He is Welsh