I agree 100% . People keep talking about the West Ham game like it was a turd of god like proportions and critial for our survival. Lame performance granted,i saw the game and wasnt one of our best,but since we have been in the Prem league we have always lost to West Ham away !! Nothing changed there really, its held up as a conveinient tipping point and as an excuse to move forward without Laudrup . Anyway, enough of the Monk V Laudrup thing, its History until the club reach an out of court pay off totaling £5m ,its also a shame not all details will come out but we cant have things like the truth destroying these forums can we !.. Monk would be terrible as a manager full time IMO. Tactically inept and lacking ANY kind of experience. He has got results because we have had most players back from injury and they have personal pride to play for ,as i said from day 1 if we stay up it will be in spite of Monk not because of him . We need a manager to suit the profile of the club, Martinez fitted that in L1 ,Monk doesn't fit it in the Premier league plain and simple . His time will come but he needs to go out and learn his craft in a place where glaring mistakes will be more forgiving far too much at stake at this level.
You say monk would be a terrible manager and you being just a long distant fan while the people who run the club and the players and others in football not connected with the club say the totally opposite.. ever thought of applying for the job yourself as you certainly think you know more than the actual people in the game
If the fans aren't convinced (and all indications are they are not) is his appointment a viable option? I was always told, when choice is a factor, perception is more important than reality for most people. My perception is Garry is a decent coach at this level but not (yet) a manger.
But its ok for you to ignore the fixture lists in your opinion? Righteo. So yes lets talk about someone's inability to see reason. So Monk's record is: Top half teams Home = Played 1, won 0, drew 0, lost 1 (Chelsea) = 0/3 Away = Played 5, won 1 (Newcastle), drew 2 (Stoke, Arsenal), lost 2 (Everton, Liverpool) = 5/15 Total = 4/18 Bottom half teams Home = Played 4, won 2 (Cardiff, Norwich), drew 1 (Palace), Lost 1 (WBA) = 7/12 Away = Played 1, won 0, drew 0, lost 1 (Hull) = 0/3 Total = 7/15 ML's record however is a bit different, and much harsher. Top half teams Home = Played 9, won 1 (Newcastle), drew 2 (Liverpool, Stoke), lost 6 (Man Utd, Arsenal, Southampton, Everton, Man City, Spurs) = 5/27 Away = Played 4, won 0, drew 0, lost 4 (Spurs, Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd) = 0/12 Total = 5/39 Bottom half teams Home = Played 4, won 2 (Sunderland, Fulham), drew 2 (West Ham, Hull), lost 0 = 8/12 Away = Played 7, won 3 (WBA, Palace, Fulham), drew 2 (Norwich, Aston Villa), lost 2 (Cardiff, West Ham) = 11/21 Total = 19/33 So please don't try telling us that ML's record was as bad as your making out, and that fixture lists don't play a part, because to be quite frank, its a load of **** to ignore that fact. And looking above should be enough for any sane person to realise that ML was given a bad run of fixtures, i mean just 4 games at home to current bottom half clubs, I mean come on, what the **** did you lot expect, him to **** miracles? For someone who's focus was on the Prem, and not the cup like his predecessor, he has done **** all to make me think we made the right choice.
Dai - I have my reservations about GM becoming "full time / permanent" Manager for next season. Indeed, I would prefer the appointment of someone with greater experience - perhaps GM could do his apprenticeship so to speak under the new guy. That said, unlike some on here, I do not regard him as a "chump" and believe that if we do finally retain our PL status, then he would have fulfilled his remit.
Can the forum software be updated so I can automatically ignore threads when this crap kicks off again, thanks.
Monk has taken 12 points from 11 matches. ML 24 from 24. ML's last 38 games produced 36 points and the run rate was trending down. Additionally, December 2012 was the last time we won back to back victories in the PL. Are you saying that ML had no failings? Huw and the Board must have seen something to make them gamble on having to pay up to c£5m in severance monies. Was / is GM the right choice long term - I don't think so. Whilst I want the Swans to win each of their final 3 games, if we do then GM would have won 6 games out of his 14 in charge - that would compare more than favourably with ML's 6 in 24. The "risk" then is that the Board may rubber stamp his permanent appointment. Given Daimungeezer's heartfelt request - I will not respond further.
The point is that monk must have show qualities for all at the club to say he deserves a chance and that is all im saying, He may fail and he may not but he deserves a shot at it and if the club are happy with that and the players are happy with that and most of all if monk is happy with that then who are we to say he cant do the job. He has earned his crack at the job as far as im concerned just like Martinez did when much of the same was said about him and he proved us all wrong. Once next season starts then monk will be judged and he knows fully well if he don't deliver then he will be sacked, but dont judge the guy now as a very experienced manager would not have done any better especially laudrup in the circumstances monk took over. Any normal fan would applaud monk for the way we are playing now and not slag him off, If you want to slag someone off then slag laudrup for creating the mess in the first place. Monk should not be discarded now after all the work that man has put in behind the scenes on and off the playing field and should at least be given a chance and i know that jinx would not be as spiteful as some on here and will back monk all the way as its the right thing to do. Its up to monk then as it will be his job on the line.
Lets be honest no player at the club is going to come out and say his methods are poor and that they dont think he should be managers. They are all licking his arse incase he gets the job permanent and their own position may be in jeopardy. Other managers are going to say he is capable of doing the job and hope he gets it. When have you heard other managers saying they hope someone fails and they shouldnt be given the job. I cant remember one. But you have to have the fans with you 100% the minute they turn then any manager is in trouble as can be seen this season at various clubs.
Well Lawrenson reckons Monk "hasn't done enough" to get the job permanently and that's good enough for me. Seriously though, it is the view of an objective outsider so it's interesting whether you agree with him or not. Daiswan: what Monk "deserves" is completely irrelevant. It's what's best for the Club that matters. Being "spiteful" is not what I see from the fans either. They're just looking at his record with a virtually fit squad at his disposal. It's ok, but not great. I don't want mediocrity for the Swans I want excellence in everything we do and that's what the Board should demand. "He might fail, he might not" isn't good enough with so much riding on this appointment.
His job is to keep us in the PL. He's well on his way to succeeding and completing his objective. We might end up in a situation where we win 6 in 14 under Monk. I think one or two on here are upset that Monk hasn't failed. Given he had no experience he's done an outstanding job and given us some of our best performances this season against genuine super powers of European football. That said, I still think we need a more experienced manager next season. Well done Garry Monk
I find it hard to believe any Swans fan would want Monk to fail to keep us in the Prem. Way off the mark, Valley.
Monk has taken personal abuse of one or two and they have come across as bitter towards Monk. Also when we lose they say it's all Monks fault, when we win, said posters then give no credit to Monk.
But that doesn't mean they want him to fail to keep us up does it? For the record I'm hoping we make a new appointment but was happy to give Monk ample credit for the Emnes sub last week. It may be his first sub that's actually worked but it did work so credit was due and given. By me anyway.
fair play valley that view i can accept but the club has improved under monk on the pitch and especially off it. If anyone thinks that the players are just licking monks arse then they don't see many games because if they did they will see the players mobbing monk and hugging monk every time we score, they will also see the tremendous appreciation monk gets when he goes to the crowd after every game whether we have won or not, so your deluded if anyone thinks the fans are not behind monk 100% at any match. Look none of us here can know how monk will do next season and its looking very likely that the club is going to give him a chance and whether you agree or don't agree that will be the situation we will be in and a bit of support would not go amiss on here like the support we give monk at every game....at least the fans are not leaving the ground early anymore and the liberty is back to normal and not like a morgue. Let monk have his wish and let him pass or fail and don't just judge him on the circumstances he had no control over.
I thought you said he was getting the job next season daiswan? May be wrong on that, may have been someone else who said it. If so, apologies. But you are wrong if you think the fans are 100% behind him. Fans seem very split as they are here. A couple of my mates say he should get the job but most of them want a new appointment. That split (about 80/20) is reflected on the forum. It's wrong to use the term "100% behind him" because it's just not true whichever side of the debate you're on. I go to games and the fans are 100% behind the TEAM. That's what matters.
Would that be every player mobbing him then or just one or two. For your information i have seen every home gme this season and at least 10 away. I have seen ash going to him everytime and a few others. cant remember Bony running to him or have i missed something. I think GM has done a tidy job he has given us more grit and width. But he has nowhere near enough experience to take us into next season. If he does I will be behind him 100%. but would fear for our PL status under him. I hope if appointed i am proved totally wrong and will be more than happy to eat a huge slice of humble pie.
