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Gareth Bale - Win/Win or Lose/Lose?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Tottenham Jamspurs, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. Spurm

    Spurm Well-Known Member

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    They haven't finished paying for Modric? In that case we should demand that straight away and insist the entirety of any Bale transfer must be paid up-front. We can't have Bale's transfer being paid for by Bale's shirt sales. If they can't afford him now then they don't get him.
     
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  2. afcftw

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    These spanish clubs take the right piss when it comes to actually paying up for the players they buy. Afaik Barca still owed money on Hleb and Henry when they signed Fabregas and still i assume owe us a load of cash now!
     
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  3. This raises a financial point that should worry the club.

    £12.5m remains outstanding for Modric. If we sell Bale for £86m (or whatever sum), even with only £51m of it payable in cash, there is absolutely no way that Real will be able to cover more than half that, at best. Spurs could end up being owed circa £38m by Real.

    Is it really shrewd economics that we be exposed to such a risk, being owed money by one club? Now, people will say, "ah, but it's Real Madrid, one of the richest clubs in the world!" To which I would counter, "but not quite so rich that they cannot pay their debts on demand."
     
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  4. PleaseNotPoll

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    I think they still owe us about half of it, IIRC.

    Everyone slags off Man City, PSG and Monaco for their faintly ludicrous spending, but at least when one of them want a player they make a good bid for him and then pay up.
    Barca and Real spend a season talking about it to the media and then making insulting low bids after the player's asked for a move.
    Arseholes.
     
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  5. afcftw

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    The way Real and Barca do transfer dealings is quite frankly disgraceful. They use media pressure to make things unstable with tehre targets, players, managers, there president all come out with comments, then they try and low-ball on all of there deals and top it off by not even paying up the money for the deals. It's a farce that they are able to continually sign the players they want tbh.
     
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  6. Redbrynner

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    85 Million is a no brainer. I would have thought you have to sell him.

    Of course your team wil miss him in the short term, but 85 million is alot of money.

    And Irony has a bad habit of ****ing things up. If you keep him he is bound to get injured and never be quite the same. (Although still very good.)

    I think unless you are Messi or perhaps Ronaldo there is a couple of years where a player is at his maximum value. Bale is at the high end and has expressed a desire to play abroad at some point in his career. May aswell sell whilst the price is high and start finding ways to make you're team as effective without him.

    Still I can see why you would be sceptical. Suarez is as good a player as Bale, (and just as important for us.) and it looks like he could be leaving, (for a lesser fee as he has the marketability of a polished turd.)

    I dont want him to go, although its probably the best for all parties.
     
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  7. vimhawk

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    For all these ITK journalists and mind the size of a peanut pundits, you think at least one of them would stop printing/talking up the same story with minor variations and actually put, well, a *football* perspective on it, such as how they think Bale and Ronaldo can play in the same team. I have no idea whether they can or not (my gut feeling is actually not), but I am surprised that I haven't heard anyone who claims to know more about footie discussing it.
     
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  8. crackerman jack

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    A lot of the Spurs fans on here won't agree with me but £50 million plus, including Di Maria and Coentrao if i was Levy i would take. Bale is going to go this season or next and he is highly likely to be at his peak worth now. I doubt very much the stars in our team would think about leaving if we accepted that deal. I don't think it would decrease morale. We would have a quality squad, one I really think could be challenging right at the top of the league. I don't think a club like Spurs could turn down the equivalent of £85 million for one player.
     
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  9. SpursDisciple

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    <laugh> not that polished though
     
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  10. Spurm

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    Then next year clubs come in for Di Maria, Coentrao, Verts, Sandro, Lloris etc. Because they know they can, and the players know they can get their move because history backs them up.
     
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  11. Getting CL footy will ease all those worries, though, Spurm.

    The reason why we are suffering this, at the moment, is because we have built ourselves a CL side, but haven't secured CL footy. It simply underlines the difficulty that clubs like us have of breaking into the cozy CL club.
     
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  12. The RDBD

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    "Is it really shrewd economics that we be exposed to such a risk, being owed money by one club? Now, people will say, "ah, but it's Real Madrid, one of the richest clubs in the world!" To which I would counter, "but not quite so rich that they cannot pay their debts on demand."

    When I did basic accounting as an undergrad, one empirical measure I was taught is the Debtors ratio.
    And that having a bad value (how long your sales require to end up with payment) is a sign of weakness
    (especially when compared to your peer group) .

    Correspondingly, bigger buyers tend to squeeze their much smaller suppliers.
    This in the past caused firms to collapse due to cash flow, and the in the UK was the
    reason behind the late payments Act passed to assist small businesses.

    That is why I half believe a possible attempt that involves players as payment.
    Perhaps Levy should insist on the terms Valencia are attempting to hold him to for Soldado.
     
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  13. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Something that's made me laugh with recent articles is many of them are claiming Madrid has been "Bale's dream move", funny that because in previous interviews Bale has given, he's actually stated Italy would be his preferred destination.
     
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  14. Spurm

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    also, wasn't Utd his dream move also according to the media, yet when he had a choice he chose us.
    Now, don't get me wrong he undoubtebly chose us at the time because of his age and he wanted to play, but if Utd really was his dream move would he have turned it down?
     
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  15. vimhawk

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    Apologies for going back to my own post, but isn't it indicative of the modern game / modern world that all we can discuss is money (even when such a discussion may ultimately be linked with a non-story!)

    Meanwhile I am asking if someone who knows more about the actual game (on the field, not off it), can tell me if Ronaldo and Bale can play in the same team.
     
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  16. Agreed.
    <ok>
     
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  17. crocarno

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    That's because he thinks Madrid is in Italy.
     
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  18. Spurm

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    He's not Benteke you know!
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    "Agreed."

    Someone elsewhere made a telling point that love or hate the Sugga Daddy FCs, at least you
    know the payment is effectively cash in full, in hand. I would like to see what happens if PSG
    decide to acquire Bale next summer.
     
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  20. Redbrynner

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    Be interesting to see a 4-3-3 with a false 9 and Bale and Ronaldo either side. Heskey????? in the middle to hold the ball up for them to play off of...lol

    Madrid want him for shirt sales and that would be the bottom line. They are more interested in bringing together Galacticos rather than trying to actually build a functional team....Its why Barca have been kickiing their asses for a few years.
     
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