I'm in favour of it when we benefit and not in favour when we don't. Not really, I just hate its existence. A curse on whoever thought of it.
I think it was Chris Sutton who said exactly the same thing before the 2022 league Cup final. He was hilariously ribbed for it on Monday Night Club after Kelleher scored the winning penalty
I think if VAR were only used as an aid when requested by the referee because he was unsure of a decision, that would be great. The fact that every goal is scrutinized now is annoying.
I actually don't think they are. I don't think they care that much tbh. They are untouchable and act so.
I still have no issue with VAR Offsides (save one lol) are generally correct I have a massive problem with the operators in this country I have massive reservations about the integrity of the institution charged with safeguarding the rules of the game and I had them before VAR I still feel we ****ing it up deliberately
Think problem is if you get rid of var and then a clear massive blunder of a handball on the line or a huge offside not given everyone going to be in uproar about it. I think you need var for offsides to capture those huge errors. However you can’t just use var for them, and as such it comes down to a shoelace being offside in some circumstances. If we’re going to use var for offsides to stop those howlers then there needs to be a massive change in the offside rule. Being slightly ahead of the defender but coming backwards to get the ball shouldn’t be offside. Being half a body ahead because youve anticipated while the defender is flat footed shouldn’t be offside. I get you have to draw a line (literally these days) but need to get back to what offside was brought in for and that’s to stop people goal hanging and getting a clear advantage. Get back to that and suddenly you only ever need var for massive errors because you’re not checking if someone’s shoulder is an inch closer to the goal before he collects the ball, comes back, beats 4 players with skill and smashes one in from 30 yards.
Well yes, I was assuming by "we" he meant in this country rather than others - it was the "deliberately" I was querying. Who is ****ing it up deliberately, and why?
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I think the refs agree with you Saint I think their reason for this is simple take Tierney - the bloke clearly clearly has an issue with either our club or Klopp. Either that or he is the worst referee ever to grace the league along with a couple of others. Pre VAR this wouldn’t be as easy to see - there would be endless debates about it. With VAR it’s fairly easy to highlight refs and their weaknesses. I think that the refs in this country don’t like that and are making mistakes intentionally in the hope VAR will be removed. how many apologies have we had this season compared to the last 20 years - VAR is highlighting how low our referee standard is imho it seems to have far less issues In Other countries (not saying there are no other issues but there seems to be much less) - if the refereeing standards were higher I think the use of VAR would be better. PGMOL have zero accountability and seem to be able to do whatever they want. The attitude of - everything evens itself over a season never sits right with me as I do not believe it does. some people want the free flowing game it used to be for entertainment- I just want the decisions to be correct - It seems we can’t have both - which is a shame for the sport.
Best way I can explain the why is (which won’t be well articulated ) Imagine someone put a camera in your workspace and sent the footage out to millions of people to look over and comment. suddenly all those hours sat replying on a forum get highlighted and people would question your ability to do a job. I understand that it’s totally different working in football but I don’t think that stops the feelings the refs will be having. I think they will be feeling challenged and doubted So I think they are almost being obtrusive to the system and process and that’s the positive thought process it could just be it was easier to take brown envelopes and rig a game back in the day - that’s the crass take on it
Perfectly articulate. I wasn't sure what point you were making which is why I asked for clarification. Tierney doesn't like us and he's only human so his bias influences his decision making - he just shouldn't be let anywhere near us, tbh. Klopp ruffles the feathers of officials during a game - though he's much more cordial at other times - so there may be an element of that creeps in as well. I'm really not convinced that VAR works better in other countries, from the admittedly small amount that I've seen. It seems to me that there are generally fewer interruptions, but that could just mean more things are going unpunished. They still take too long sometimes, and still get things wrong from what I've seen, and I've read complaints about it from fans in other countries. As for the refs purposefully sabotaging it, that's a novel idea to me. In that respect, and in many others, I see no reason why PL refs should be any different to those in other countries.
IMO ALL managers end up getting ion the wrong sides of refs. Klopp is just in long enough as a manager that he's get most of the refs annoyed. Mournho was the same. just end up corssing enough media and refs and fa officals enough to be totally counter productive and unbale to funciton. we are lucky that klopp is still just about serviceable when it comes to the FA and Media. I think he has a lot of work to do to get off his high horse and giving every 4th offical grief constantly. He should get back to laughing and joking with them and being the nice guy and honestly i think he should go int othe referee room and apologise to Tierney for his comments form years ago about him only having a problem with lfc and hope that at least make takes and edge off. ESPECIALLY if he doesn't mean it LOL
Sorry so the refs don’t like var because it makes it easy to highlight mistakes…. So they are deliberately making more mistakes. that’s an interesting way of doing things. Most people would use a tool that highlights the weaknesses and mistakes to then better those
