Match Day Thread Fulham v Hull City

[Gone For A Walk]

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He's a decent enough player at this level, but I just don't get why he continues this, and more importantly why McCann doesn't instruct / coach it out of him.
It's not just the times he's caught offside, but for example against Fulham there were several times when we were attacking when he was just stood there blatantly a yard offside - meaning those occasions are not included in the stats above but had the ball come toward him he'd have been off, and another attack wasted. It might also mean on occasions that team mates don't cross or pass as they see he's stood off side again.
I get it that he's not the fastest, so is looking for an advantage, but that's surely not the answer.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

He's a decent enough player at this level, but I just don't get why he continues this, and more importantly why McCann doesn't instruct / coach it out of him.
It's not just the times he's caught offside, but for example against Fulham there were several times when we were attacking when he was just stood there blatantly a yard offside - meaning those occasions are not included in the stats above but had the ball come toward him he'd have been off, and another attack wasted. It might also mean on occasions that team mates don't cross or pass as they see he's stood off side again.
I get it that he's not the fastest, so is looking for an advantage, but that's surely not the answer.

Magennis is ****
****ing hopeless if he’s our spearhead we are ****ed

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Magennis is ****
****ing hopeless if he’s our spearhead we are ****ed

Clearly your opinion .... but a ridiculous one.
Now, had I said Eaves ....

 

[Kalman]

Magennis is a decent enough finisher but there’s a reason he’s never excelled in the Championship. Being offside more often than not is a bad habit for a striker and at his age, I don’t see it being coached out him.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Did it make you cross?

Magennis is a decent enough finisher but there’s a reason he’s never excelled in the Championship. Being offside more often than not is a bad habit for a striker and at his age, I don’t see it being coached out him.

He's setting off too early - either trying too hard or because he hasn't got the pace in this division. I guess Smith addresses that somewhat.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Magennis is a decent enough finisher but there’s a reason he’s never excelled in the Championship. Being offside more often than not is a bad habit for a striker and at his age, I don’t see it being coached out him.

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But a pencil must be lead
L&H

 

[Gone For A Walk]

-> but there’s a reason he’s never excelled in the Championship
There's 2.
The fact that he's played in the Championship for a very poor Bolton and then us!

-> He's setting off too early
I don't even think it's that. You watch him and he has a habit of standing a clear yard off side. It's not as if he's on the shoulder of the defender and just gambles with his timing; that you could sort of understand, although with his experience you'd think he'd have mastered it by now. That's what I don't understand, just standing there blatantly off side - what is he thinking and what is McCann saying to him.

BTW, I don't think he's some sort of world beater. But, as he proved 2nd half last season when he got a decent run (rather than playing 2nd fiddle in McCann's mind to Eaves <ffs>), he's certainly not ****, he's ok (nothing more, nothing less), and he's also talker / organiser / positive character.

 

[DMD]

You can take a horse to water












But a pencil must be lead
L&H

Pencils are graphite, not lead.

 

[springtiger]

Pencils are graphite, not lead.

Maybe this ones for HT2 but at what age do pro footballers stop learning or are they allowed to stop learning ? In other words do managers just accept ‘they are what they are’
I am never understand why there isn’t focused training on a players weaknesses , their strengths don’t need improving but their weaknesses do . Bowen did it to develop both feet . Surely positional sense is fu dame tam you don’t need skill just concentration.
Last thing I loss count in the Euros of how many passes behind the man Maguire did it’s so aggravating - it also stops any momentum !!5 times in a game I wouldn’t play a player next time !! But then I’m mercenary - if they want to play they will do it!

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Maybe this ones for HT2 but at what age do pro footballers stop learning or are they allowed to stop learning ? In other words do managers just accept ‘they are what they are’
I am never understand why there isn’t focused training on a players weaknesses , their strengths don’t need improving but their weaknesses do . Bowen did it to develop both feet . Surely positional sense is fu dame tam you don’t need skill just concentration.
Last thing I loss count in the Euros of how many passes behind the man Maguire did it’s so aggravating - it also stops any momentum !!5 times in a game I wouldn’t play a player next time !! But then I’m mercenary - if they want to play they will do it!

I guess the answer would be that each players aptitude towards continual improvement would differ - like the rest of society - I would expect the offside issue will be getting worked on - but this manager isn't going to dig out individuals in the press - otherwise he would have done during the relegation shambles

 

[Howdentiger2]

Maybe this ones for HT2 but at what age do pro footballers stop learning or are they allowed to stop learning ? In other words do managers just accept ‘they are what they are’
I am never understand why there isn’t focused training on a players weaknesses , their strengths don’t need improving but their weaknesses do . Bowen did it to develop both feet . Surely positional sense is fu dame tam you don’t need skill just concentration.
Last thing I loss count in the Euros of how many passes behind the man Maguire did it’s so aggravating - it also stops any momentum !!5 times in a game I wouldn’t play a player next time !! But then I’m mercenary - if they want to play they will do it!

Players should never stop learning and coaches/managers never stop trying to teach, mentor, coach and improve players... The players that can take this onboard and adapt are the ones who reach the top of their game and end up at international level/prem level for most their careers ( vardy for example, or a little closer to home, ashbee and Andy Dawson managed to improve as we moved up the leagues ) the players that choose not to or can't adapt, listen and improve etc find their level and stay at it.

 

[rovertiger]

Pencils are graphite, not lead.

Pedant

 

[Real ale tiger]

Magennis was brilliant last season, this season he isn't the same player. I think once wilkes and honeyman are back he will see a supply line and a maybe a few chances coming his way. At the moment he is going through the motions. We can't afford to carry him but we have no other options.
Its got to a point where i just feel sorry for tom eves, he needs to play but he will have to drop at least two divisions. Why not a 3 month loan to grimsby

 

[City Man]

Maybe this ones for HT2 but at what age do pro footballers stop learning or are they allowed to stop learning ? In other words do managers just accept ‘they are what they are’
I am never understand why there isn’t focused training on a players weaknesses , their strengths don’t need improving but their weaknesses do . Bowen did it to develop both feet . Surely positional sense is fu dame tam you don’t need skill just concentration.

Yes,I've often thought that

 

[tigerscanada]

Pencils are graphite, not lead.

The material making up the "writing" compound are certainly graphite based. Any potential poisoning deaths from sucking or chewing pencils came from the high concentrations of lead in the paint used on pencil outer wooden surfaces. Lead in paint was banned maybe as late as the '50's.
Why did plumbers rest their pencils on top of their ears rather than holding them in their mouths in days of yore? They knew their onions !

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Pencils are graphite, not lead.

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[DMD]

The material making up the "writing" compound are certainly graphite based. Any potential poisoning deaths from sucking or chewing pencils came from the high concentrations of lead in the paint used on pencil outer wooden surfaces. Lead in paint was banned maybe as late as the '50's.
Why did plumbers rest their pencils on top of their ears rather than holding them in their mouths in days of yore? They knew their onions !

Hmm, and the name PLUMBer comes from the main material they used, so I doubt the little bit that could perhaps have been in some pencil paint would have mattered.

 

[DMD]

Pedant

Just to save you typing it again, cos I'm good like that.

 

[tigerscanada]

Hmm, and the name PLUMBer comes from the main material they used, so I doubt the little bit that could perhaps have been in some pencil paint would have mattered.

Hence the onions. French "Plumbier', from the Greek & Latin for "workers of lead."
There were stories of young kids in the 40s/50s getting lead poisoning attributed to sucking and chewing pencils. There were high concentrations of lead in paint up 'til then. It was pretty toxic - brain damage it al.

Perhaps they licked the pipes?

 

[DMD]

Hence the onions. French "Plumbier', from the Greek & Latin for "workers of lead."
There were stories of young kids in the 40s/50s getting lead poisoning attributed to sucking and chewing pencils. There were high concentrations of lead in paint up 'til then. It was pretty toxic - brain damage it al.

Perhaps they licked the pipes?

Never lick church windows.