I think I'd disagree with that Disco, he's been lined up by better boxers on numerous occasions, he just knows how to take a beating and keep coming back for more. Ward destroyed him over 7/8 rounds whilst carrying an injury, he just couldn't get the finish to knock him out (a bit like Groves). His biggest victory came against a semi-retired Kessler, who coincidentally weighed him in first time round when he was punching at the top of his game. Froch's a massive fraud for me, never delivered against a real top fighter.
Calling him a fraud is harsh, hes good at what he does and has won world titles. Groves can win this easy though if he keeps his head, all he has to do is box like he did in the first 6 rounds but dont go head hunting too much and burn energy. Adam Booth would have seen him home in the first fight, he could and should have just stayed off froch for the 8th and 9th even if it meant losing the rounds, he'd have come out fresher for 10, 11 and 12. With Froch chasing the ko he could even have walked onto a big groves right hand again. Froch cant deal with people who move Ward, Dirrell and Groves have all gave him hell and even Jermain Taylor was miles ahead on pponts before Froch caught him with a good shot.
I say he's a fraud mate because he openly says he's up there with Lewis as an all time great, yet he's come up short in his truly defining fights, Lennox never. Furthermore, he's not a patch on Calzaghe as a fighter, so has no right to his ridiculous claims that he's an all time great, he's a chump with an iron jaw is all.
Hes defintely in top ten brits. For me Calzaghe is more of a fraud, he hid in Britain behind his wbo belt and frank warren for years.then went to america and got put us his arse by an over the hill Roy Jones who didnt have enough in the tank anymore. Then he scraped by a past his best Hopkins whilst also being put on his arse and made to look very ordinary. Dont be fooled by Hopkins current run its very carefully managed and he lost to the only decent fighter hes fought in years in Chad Dawson Calzaghes best win is Kessler as is Froch's. The Kessler that beat Froch first time round was a better fighter than the one Calzaghe beat. Plus Froch went to Kesslers back yard whilst Calzaghe had home comfort like usual. Andre Ward would have beaten Calzaghe every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Re Lewis. He never had an AndreWard type of opponent ie top 5 p4p. You could argue that despite avenging his two losses he was still knocked out by average fighters in Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. Froch has avenged one of his losses and picked up two more world titles.
Beating a semi-retired Kessler isn't revenge mate, not in my book. Regardless of Lewis' losses, he also beat the best, what was put in front of him, he beat them. He re-fought Rahman after a few months and totally ripped him to pieces. His other defeat to McCall was controversial, akin to if the ref decided to stop Froch after Groves hit him hard last time out. Froch has been outfought countless times and relied on the fact that he's just a dumb **** that won't go down his entire career, for him to even speak about himself in the same breath as Lewis who's the best pound for pound scrapper in British boxing history by many accounts, it's pathetic. He's not even close, Calzaghe would have ripped his head off. Ward would end Froch and Froch knows it, the reason Hearn is running his mouth is because he knows Froch's happy to get knocked out and retire in exchange for a payday from the Ward fight.
Dont think Ward is that big of a draw $ wise. Chavez jr would be a bigger pay day in Vegas next summer. I think thats what theyll do if he beats Groves. Since the inception of the super 6 Froch has been in with top fighters every time and came out at the end with two world titles. There's no shame in losing to Ward or contentiously to Kessler in Denmark. He deserves some respect. I respect Froch's career way more than Calzaghes. He was lucky to beat Robin Reid who is a poor mans Froch so what would have happened if they'd fought is open to debate.
Only to fans of Carl Froch, in reality, the guy has been technically outsmarted by some very poor fighters and relied on his ability to come back from a beating all too often to be taken seriously as an all time great. As for Calzaghe, the guy was entitled to a sloppy match now and again but he always turned it on when he took his opponent seriously. Kessler got dealt with at the top of his game, and he didn't bottle the step up to LHeavyweight for a scrap, Froch's **** scared of that Cleverly fight, so much so that Hearn had to poach Cleverly from Warren just to stop the idle talk and put it to bed. All this talk about Froch taking Groves more seriously this time isn't going to bother Groves, he's a better boxer than Froch, if he can hit him a bit harder and faster in the early rounds Froch's finished, although I still maintain that neither of them are anything to rave about.
Froch is a man of limited education & ability who's achieved great things by determination and hard work. And that's why I admire him, he's just like me
I'd never implied he hasn't earned his status, he's just a deluded idiot who thinks he's a hell of a lot better than he is. You can only beat what's put in front of you I guess, but he should leave other people to determine where he fits into the scale of British boxers, it's one thing being arrogant and another thing being completely deluded. Although you may have a point, his 'limited education' might explain his delusions.
Terry mate, you do realise you're applying logic to what boxers say ....... get a grip man These are men who are paid to get punched in the head!
I think it's just a bit over the top, from Froch. Arrogance is part and parcel, but he's a consistent dick head. I'll give it up now though, my fingers are crossed for a head clash which would result in both these idiots out cold. Same for the Chisora vs Fury fight, pair of muppets.
I don't have a lot of time for modern day fighters, being part of it in the 70's & 80's you could see the corruption kicking in and the promoters calling the shots, it isn't about the best v the best now but who can line their pathetic pockets the most by putting A against Z. Young Owen the welsh lad died in the ring in the 80's and so did many others but they fought with a pride that no fcukin coach could teach you. How these lads around now would fair against the Bomber Grahams, Mark Kaylors, Errol Christies, Colin Jones and a flock of great Light and middleweights we had back then, nobody knows. What I do know is over the water, you had Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, McCrory, Benitez and a shed load more to get through before you could dream of a title shot. Like I said, I don't bother now, I have my memories but for the boxing fans out there, one of the best Light Middleweights we ever had was a lad called Kirkland Laing. He beat Duran and beat him well, a self confessed junkie who never turned up for training but turned up when it mattered..
It's akin to saying not bothered about modern football because of George Best Pele and Maradonna. There's fighters from modern generations that would have done well in any generation. Mayweather Pacquiou Andre Ward Nonito Donaire, Guillermo Rigondeux, Gennady Golovkin, Juan Manuel Marquez Going a little further back; Barrera, Morales, De la Hoya, Mosley, Trinidad. Vitali Klitschko would have been a champion in any era as would Lennox Lewis Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.
16:07 FROCH WEIGHS IN 11st 13lbs 9ozs 16:06 FROCH ON STAGE No question who has more of the crowd on his side, the world champion receives an enormous cheer! 16:05 GROVES WEIGHS IN 11st 12lbs 4ozs
I could have typed a long reply here mate but I'm not. Lewis is a legend as is De Hoya and Tyson was the breath of fresh air the heavyweight division needed, he unified the heavyweight division only for it to be ****ed up again by the pocket liners. Terry Lawless said to me in 1983 that boxing would be ****ed in 20/30 years, it would go the way of American Wrestling. Anyway, I'm out of here for the night but before I go mate, can I ask, 'are you an ex-boxer'?
