I am sure I have seen libard put up for the next but if I have I will second it they should have too much for the fav bella nout
Boogangoo has been running well of late and the hood seems to be a good reason for this so I am going to ignore the class and take a chance at 11/2
I too felt very frustrated with how Lucida was ridden. I dont think there is a lot in terms of ability between the first 3, but Lucida was never really given a fair crack at Victory, due to being so far back. I don't think the draw helped, but the jockey was at fault aswell. It brings up the debate of why Ascot persist on having mile races on the round course when they have a straight mile. I fancy Lucida may well have won today had she had a lower draw, or the race was run on the straight track
Not sure how the Pattern Race Committee (or its revamped equivalent) decided to demote the Queens Vase to listed status from G3. The last three winners have all won G1 races and two of them have subsequently won the Gold Cup. One assumes this race was framed to bring on future top class stayers so the decision is baffling. A bit like the Dee Stakes which was also downgraded in a similar manner last year after multiple grade one winner Magician won the previous years race and already had the Irish 2000 guineas on his CV before the decision was made. The Lockinge remains a G1.
Lucida was less than a length behind the winner at the back of the field in the straight when both began their runs but didn't have the gears to get there. Nothing to do with the ride..not good enough in what was a fair race.
Doyle's off my Christmas card list too, never got Simenon switched off at all in the Gold Cup yesterday. If he had have, he'd have went very darn close IMO. I'd agree with u about Aloft. That's your St Leger winner.
Lads, calm down about this Lucida ride. It wasn't brilliant but i don't think it was reason why the horse lost. Too much pocket talk. Give it a rest. No ones arsed if you lost a bet or not.
So you agree the ride wasn't great on a horse who lost half a length, yet at the same time your claiming she wouldn't have won anyways. Considering the margin was so small, your making no sense at all. Are you saying a better ride wouldn't have improved her by half a length?
Stop talking through your pocket Shergar. Ervedya looked very good indeed to me and would have been hard to beat even with the absolute best ride. As it was I think the ride was adequate. Not great but equally not bad either. Unfortunately, we're not all perfect all of the time and if he had the chance again he maybe would have had the horse in a different position. It's all very easy after the event. At the time of the off you could easily make the argument that a lot of the racing has started too far out at Ascot this week and sitting off the pace has been an advantage on occasion. He may also have seen from the 1000 that Lucida maybe got to the front too soon as i for one thought she had won the race until Legatisimo came through in the final furlong. Maybe these tactics were intended to ensure Lucida ran all the way to and through the line. Who knows?
Fair enough Bob can see your point, as I said the draw probably wasn't ideal either. It brings me back to my other point though, about them running these races on the round course when they have a straight mile there. When there is so little between the runners in terms of ability, a slight draw bias can make all the difference. So I fail to see the logic behind using the round course for mile races
Quite ridiculous to cite the draw as an issue in a 9 runner race over a mile on the round course. The horse drawn widest of all in box 20 won the last yesterday and had one more bend to negotiate in a huge field.
Have to disagree with this one. Soumillon picked his filly up early in the straight and worked his way up the inside into a position to challenge Found, who had already gone for home. Manning stayed at the back and then switched to the outside – a total change of tactics from the 1000 Guineas where he brought her through with two furlongs to go and got caught late by the winner. It may well have proved that the winner Ervedya might have found more if challenged late but we will never know. Manning got it wrong and was only going to win if the race distance was a mile and ten yards as he timed it badly. PS: I am talking through my wallet, as fifty per cent of my losers this week have been jockey error (Manning and Spencer).
What has a horse in box 20 winning have to do with anything. Yes they can still win from a wide draw, but it's far more advantageous to be drawn low. Any idiot should be able to work that out. The jockey definately made an error, but he wouldn't of had to concede the ground he did at the start had he been drawn more favourably. There was clearly very little between the first 3 on today's showings, so minor details like the draw can be a factor
