Someone stated on Twitter that Frankel has a.ready managed something his father hasn't done so far - sire a 5f winner! I'm not sure if it's 100% accurate but looking at Galileo's stats on the RP site, he's only sired 11 winners in the "5f & 6f" bracket, so it could be true!
FAIR EVA entered for the G3 Princess Margaret Stakes at Ascot on Saturday. FRANKUUS and SEAVEN HEAVENS both have entries for the Listed Pat Eddery (formerly the Winkfield) Stakes on the same card and SEVEN HEAVENS also has an entry for a Conditions race at Newmarket on the same day.
Thanks for keeping us updated with this thread PN. I would miss a few of these without it. Quick question, How come we have only seen about 10 Frankel offspring so far? I would of thought it would be 3/4 times that by now.
Most of the mares he has been bred with are not the typical precocious types you see sent to a lot of other first season sires. Frankel was never expected to sire early precocious types so the fact they've been going so well has surprised a lot of people. From what I hear people say, they're not typical early 2yos but they have engines so make up for their lack of size/scope. Most of them are bred to be milers/middle distance horses so it will probably be the back end of this year/early next year before we see the bulk of them. The fact so many are named and in training is a good sign.
FAIR EVA and FRANKUUS both declared for Ascot on Saturday. SEVEN HEAVENS has been taken out of both of his engagements.
SENATOR has been given entries at Redcar and Leicester on 27 July MONARCHS GLEN has an entry for Sandown on 27 July
First Stakes winner - FAIR EVA. Frankuus placed 3rd in his race so Frankel has 3 black-type horses from 9 runners.
Fair Eva given a Timeform rating of 113p after Saturday's performance. MONARCHS GLEN has been declared for Sandown on Wednesday. SENATOR has been declared for Leicester on Wednesday.
Video from Facebook (won't let me embed for some reason Also reports that SOUL STIRRING will make her debut in Japan in the next week.
Update on FAIR EVA: THRILLED CHARLTON SAYS EVA IS A LOWTHER POSSIBLE Fair Eva looks set for a trip to York for the Gr.2 Lowther Stakes, according to her trainer Roger Charlton, after the Frankel filly impressed in taking Saturday’s Gr.3 Princess Margaret Stakes at Ascot. Despite being a daughter of the Gr.1 Sprint Cup winner African Rose (Observatory), Charlton feels that the Juddmonte Farms-bred juvenile will stay a mile and said: “From the day she came here, we were very excited by her. She was always very professional and, as you saw [on Saturday], she is a wonderful mover. She needed to step up a gear but luckily her form has been well franked and she looked good. “I think the only part of her pedigree that people might look at and say ‘why would she stay further’ is the fact that African Rose won the [Gr.1] Haydock Sprint when it was run at Doncaster. She did run over eight furlongs though and won over seven. “In the family you’ve got Quest For Fame (Rainbow Quest), who was a mile and a half horse, Nijinsky (Northern Dancer), Roberto (Hail To Reason) – a lot of stamina in there. It is a proper staying Juddmonte family that has produced some quick horses. Her halfsister by Dansili won twice over ten furlongs, so I would be as confident as you can be that she ought to get a mile.” In addition to the Lowther, Fair Eva holds entries in both the Gr.2 Debutante Stakes at the Curragh and the Gr.1 Moyglare Stud Stakes at the same venue over the coming six weeks or so and Charlton is keen to give her short breaks between outings if she is to continue her upward curve. “At the moment I think she is more than capable of stepping up as a two-year-old and therefore I would think that in three and a half weeks, which is about the ideal period between races, the Lowther has to come into the reckoning. It’s a very good prize, a Gr.2. I was encouraged to consider that and then three and a half weeks later you’ve got the Moyglare, which is a Gr.1 over seven furlongs. “That is a possible programme. We don’t want to overrace her but the Moyglare is quite a long time (away). We don’t want to try to plan too far ahead.”
Interesting article from pedigree expert Andrew Caulfield: Caulfield Pedigree Insights: Frankel & Fair Eva AddThis Sharing Buttons Share to TumblrShare to FacebookShare to TwitterShare to PrintMore AddThis Share options Monday, July 25, 2016 | Back to: Europe, Shared News Previous Story | Next Story please log in to view this image Fair Eva | Racing Post By Andrew Caulfield Prince Khalid Abdullah has achieved a huge amount as a breeder, including an unusual double which would probably have escaped the attention of anyone who doesn’t work for Juddmonte. Having become the first person to breed a stakes winner by Galileo, when Innocent Air won the 2005 Washington Singer S., the Prince has now become the first person to breed a stakes winner by Galileo’s best son, the astonishing Frankel. This, of course, was the highly promising Fair Eva, who treated the opposition in the G3 Princess Margaret S. with as much disdain as she had against maiden company on her previous appearance. As bloodstock consultant to Juddmonte, I have always felt proud and protective of Frankel and I guess that lays me open to accusations of bias. Of course I understand that Frankel is on a hiding to nothing, in that he cannot seriously be expected to sire anything better than himself. Indeed, he would do extremely well to sire anything which gets within hailing distance of his Timeform rating of 147. And I also understand that, in this media-saturated era of 24-hour news, there was always going to be a lot of loose conjecture after this superstar retired to stud. People endlessly reported that Frankel was not stamping his stock, even though the majority–including Fair Eva–walk and move with the same fluency which was always one of Frankel’s distinguishing features. Well, a stallion’s failure to sire physical replicas of himself is not necessarily a bad thing (though it can be a disadvantage in the sales ring). I can remember an imported stallion called Upper Case who, coincidentally, also stood at Banstead Manor Stud, in pre-Juddmonte days. This winner of the GI Florida Derby and GI Wood Memorial sired progeny which were mainly like peas in a pod. And they were also identical on the racecourse–few of them could run fast enough to keep themselves warm. Upper Case was by Round Table, who sired the dam of Caerleon, another American-bred who spent his stallion career in Europe. Caerleon was criticized not only because his progeny came in all shapes, sizes and colours, but also because they were sometimes very different in their distance requirements. However, it was Caerleon who interrupted Sadler’s Wells’s long sequence of sires’ championships and he left a long line of Group 1 winners, with his progeny winning four of Britain’s five Classics, plus the following top-level contests: the Arc, Irish Derby, Japanese Derby, Grand Prix de Paris, Prix de Diane and Coronation Cup. In a comment on Fair Eva’s Group 3 victory, headlined “Sire defying expectations by looking real deal,” the Racing Post’s bloodstock editor Martin Stevens wrote: “Expectations of what Frankel might achieve with his first 2-year-old runners were tempered by some sobering truths. “Yes, he was the outstanding talent of the modern era on the track, but we knew that the majority of stallions fail, that his stock had received mixed reviews at auction and that many of his runners, owned by their breeders, would be in no hurry to grace a racecourse.” I would take issue with some of this. Although the Juddmonte team was not totally in control of what mares were sent to Frankel in his first season, a determined effort was made to help him make as fast a start as possible by including a proportion of fast mares. As the breeder of Innocent Air, Juddmonte was well aware that Galileo had made an unspectacular start with his first 2-year-olds. From 41 runners in Britain and Ireland, he had sired just one stakes winner and the knock-on effect was that his fee remained at its lowest level–€37,500–in 2006. Needless to say, Galileo rapidly transformed himself from possible failure to sire sensation. In one report I pointed out that “although Frankel has often displayed breathtaking speed, his sire Galileo is a powerful source of stamina and Frankel’s brother Noble Mission is a group winner over a mile and a half, Teofilo, another champion 2-year-old bred on the Galileo/Danehill cross, seems to be imparting a fair amount of stamina to some of his progeny. [Teofilo’s first 3-year-olds included four winners at two miles or beyond, including the future G1 Irish St Leger winner Voleuse de Coeurs] “So, until we know more about Frankel as a sire, it will probably pay to send him some mares capable of reinforcing his speed and juvenile ability.” Although Juddmonte’s broodmare band does not feature a lot of sprinters, Fair Eva’s dam African Rose was an obvious choice, as a winner of the G1 Sprint Cup. African Rose’s sister Helleborine, who showed a lot of ability at two, was also sent to Frankel, but unfortunately her colt died. Another incentive for sending African Rose to Frankel was the fact that the similarly-bred Teofilo already had a classic-placed Group 2 winner with a dam by Quest To Fame, sire also of African Rose’s dam New Orchid. This mating produced 4 x 4 inbreeding to Rainbow Quest, who did so well for Juddmonte. To return to the Racing Post’s comments on Frankel, we may know that the majority of stallions fail, but I would argue that the majority of truly exceptional racehorses do NOT. Although the picture is clouded by some premature deaths, illnesses and even kidnap, it makes an interesting exercise to look at Timeform’s list of all-time highweights, which is headed by Frankel with his figure of 147. Next comes the imperious Derby and Arc winner Sea-Bird II, on 145. None too fashionably bred, Sea-Bird was leased to Darby Dan Farm for five years and died at the age of 11. Consequently, he is credited with only 175 foals, but 33 of them–a magnificent 19%–became black-type winners. He will always be best remembered as the sire of the brilliant mare Allez France, but also sired the likes of Little Current, Gyr and Arctic Tern. Next on the list, on 144, are Brigadier Gerard and Tudor Minstrel. Many people would write off Brigadier Gerard as a failure. If I remember correctly, his owners would not take mares from commercial breeders, which can’t have helped, and they also imposed strict numerical limits on his book. With fertility issues also becoming part of the story, “The Brigadier” left just 329 foals. It is worth pointing out that 12 of the 186 foals in his first six crops became group winners–a figure of nearly 6.5%, which would thrill any of today’s stallion owners. Tudor Minstrel, for his part, provided British racing with three important stallion sons in King of the Tudors, Sing Sing and Tudor Melody. He was then moved to the U.S., where his representatives included a GI Kentucky Derby winner in Tomy Lee and a champion filly in What A Treat. There are only 10 other horses which achieved the landmark figure of 140 or more, a few of them during an era when Timeform’s ratings for 2-year-olds were set at a considerable higher level than in recent decades. I certainly wouldn’t quibble about Ribot’s figure of 142. This Italian star spent most of his stallion career at Darby Dan, where he developed into a major Classic influence. America benefited from the likes of Tom Rolfe, Arts And Letters and Graustark. Over in Europe two of his sons–Molvedo and Prince Royal–followed in Ribot’s footsteps by winning the Arc, while Ragusa emulated Ribot’s victory in the G1 King George. The thrilling Mill Reef justified his rating of 141 with a similarly phenomenal stallion career. Although this winner of the 1971 Derby, King George and Arc left fewer than 400 foals, he is credited with 63 black-type winners–16%. Roughly 10% were successful at group level, which remains an exceptional achievement. The Derby at Epsom proved a perfect showplace for his descendants’ talents, with victory going to two of his sons, one of his grandsons, one of his great-grandsons and one of his great-grandsons. Dancing Brave (140) certainly didn’t make the type of start his admirers would have wanted, perhaps because his health was compromised by Marie’s Disease. But then his third crop, numbering 39 foals, produced four Group 1 winners, including winners of the Derby, Derby Italiano and Irish Oaks. By then, though, Dancing Brave was in Japan. Another who was arguably denied a fair test was Sheikh Mohammed’s favourite Dubai Millennium (140), but his legacy from his very brief time at Dalham Hall yielded Dubawi, one of the world’s most effective stallions. Shergar is credited with having sired only 36 foals prior to his abduction but once again there could be few complaints about their quality, as his five stakes winners (14%) included Authaal (Irish St Leger) and Maysoon (second in the 1000 Guineas and third in the Oaks). The 140-club also features Vaguely Noble and Sea The Stars. Even though Vaguely Noble was considered to have outrun his pedigree, he also shone as a stallion. We couldn’t have complained if his only achievement had been to sire Dahlia, who ranks among the best racemares and broodmares of all time. However, Vaguely Noble achieved much more, via the likes of Nobiliary, Empery, Exceller, Lemhi Gold, Estrapade, Mississipian and Jet Ski Lady. He was responsible for nearly 6% group/graded winners. Vaguely Noble numbered the Arc among his victories and so did Sea The Stars, who had earlier also won the G1 2000 Guineas and Derby. Although this half-brother to Galileo has only three crops aged three or over, he has already been represented by winners of the Derby, Oaks, Irish Derby, Deutsches Derby, the King George, Prix Jean Prat and Prix Saint-Alary. In this context, it surely can’t be a surprise that Frankel–the best of them all–is “defying expectations.”
