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[DragonPhilljack]

The bottom line is that Islam is a dangerous seriously ****ed up religion while being used by those that want to harm and take over us !

When bush and blaire started the higher level of bombing and killing of Muslims it was used efficiently by the religious nut job leaders out there to radicalise the deads family, friends and other angry people resulting in suicide bombers and murders by muslims on any western targets as well as on the usual Muslim targets the nutters wanted slotted for their own ends !

In contrast all the westerners plus the even more persecuted living in Arab countries mostly Christian people's that have been murdered don't have their people go out in suicide vests or randomly run amock shooting or stabbing etc inocent people's taking direct personal revenge directed by religious nut jobs do they ! ?

The tolerant Muslims that have lived in Western Europe for decades must realise all this, and it is confusing as to why they don't turn on the radical side of their communities here thus showing solidarity with the peaceful people's they live among ! It would lift their profile as a true people of tolerance and peace that most sane people live by ?
There are such large numbers here that their support would really make a difference to weeding out the murderous nut jobs amongst them ! And would maybe get respect from the " NATIVES " to put United pressure on the western leaders to have a clear plan to bring peaceful secure regions back to the countries that would work differently to the previous failed attempts and with a clear short term exit strategy for our military we have the technology and funds to do it if it was really made a priority !

All to complicated though when they don't seem to want it ! And the rich elite are still hell bent on using lies to steal countries resources , OIL by any means ! And the massive profits they make from creating wars then arming both sides ! Plus the huge numbers of sheep on both sides doing what they are conditioned from birth to do what the evil elite want them to do ! Also the multicultural experiment here has failed for reasons above and other, just not working and way to many are now here feeding from the same ever decreasing resources trough !

So it can go many ways from here including enlightenment of all people's that the bigger picture means we all need to start acting as one race - the human race and start getting along globally !
Or that there is no hope and the decisions are just to deep to fathom, meaning pull the drawbridge up, clear out any threat to social cohesion. Take our own laws and borders in hand and prepare for continued fear, hate and war survival of the fittest and **** the rest attitudes !
Guess which one is winning ?

Great post Swan, fully agree with you, and it is going to get a lot worse, before the UN and the west destroys religion, it's something they are itching to do, but will not yet bite the bullet, but it will without fail eventually happen, Islam and all religions will be destroyed, and then there will be a significant shout of 'Peace and Security'........................

 

[Matthew Bound Still Lurks]

Great post Swan, fully agree with you, and it is going to get a lot worse, before the UN and the west destroys religion, it's something they are itching to do, but will not yet bite the bullet, but it will without fail eventually happen, Islam and all religions will be destroyed, and then there will be a significant shout of 'Peace and Security'........................

You cannot destroy religion ,no more than you can destroy beliefs , unless of course you mean destroy mankind ., We don't need the UN to do that

 

[Highburyal]

Great post Swan, fully agree with you, and it is going to get a lot worse, before the UN and the west destroys religion, it's something they are itching to do, but will not yet bite the bullet, but it will without fail eventually happen, Islam and all religions will be destroyed, and then there will be a significant shout of 'Peace and Security'........................

what you smoking! Even if religions didn't exist there will still be war and mass killings, not every war/killings in done by religious people.

 

[Kifflom!]

True. But the majority of violence in the world today, and our biggest threat, is radical Islam. You have to be living under a rock to say otherwise.

 

[swantastic]

Religion has always been used as an excuse for one gang of fanatics to kill another that does`nt play ball ! I wonder how many people over the centuries have died in the name of religion ? It does act as a population numbers control i suppose !

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I am open minded so if there is a god or if aliens are involved then so be it ! nowt i can do about it anyway so just try and choose to be good because the alternative is be evil which those that are ****ing up this planet are being !

 

[seabreeze]

what you smoking! Even if religions didn't exist there will still be war and mass killings, not every war/killings in done by religious people.

Wanna bet!... 99 per cent of wars are started with religion involved one way or another .
By the way , I smoke the best .

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

As the famous quote says, 'religion is the cause of all wars'. While not 100% accurate, religion has played a key role in influencing the majority of the wars mankind has seen.

 

[swantastic]

If it was`nt religion then tribalism territorialism and just down right punchy mankind would find some other reasons to kill **** out of each other would`nt we ?

 

[swantastic]

The voice of America ?

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The voice of UK ?
DEAR DAVID CAMERON,
AS FROM TODAY "YOUR" SYRIAN "REFUGEE'S" WILL START TO ARRIVE IN "MY/OUR" COUNTRY ???
AS YOU DIDN'T EVEN GIVE US THE "BRITISH PEOPLE" THE GRA...CE OF ASKING OUR PERMISSION TO ALLOW THESE PEOPLE WHOM WE HAVE "NO IDEA" OF THEIR BACKGROUNDS INTO OUR COUNTRY !
COULD I JUST TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ASK A FEW QUESTION'S THAT I ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER "BRITISH" PEOPLE ARE LONGING FOR ANSWERS TOO !

1/ "DAVID" WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE BEING HOUSED IN "SCOTLAND" AND NOT IN WITNEY IN OXFORDSHIRE "ENGLAND" AFTER ALL THAT IS "YOUR" CONSTITUANCY ?

2/ "DAVID" WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE "FOR THE RECORD" JUST HOW MANY "REFUGEE'S "WILL" BE ARRIVING IN "WITNEY" IN OXFORDSHIRE TO REAP THE BENEFITS OF YOUR VERY GENEROUS OFFER OF "OUR" COUNCIL HOUSES OBVIOUSLY THERE MUST BE AN "ABUNDANCE OF "EMPTY" PROPERTIES IN "WITNEY" ?

3/ "DAVID" WILL YOU IN THE LIGHT OF "RECENT" EVENTS IN PARIS BE TAKING "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT "YOU" HAVE ALLOWED INTO "OUR" COUNTRY DESPITE THE CURRENT CLIMATE AND "NUMEROUS" WARNINGS ABOUT ISIS JIHADI'S BEING SMUGGLED INTO THE WEST AS "REFUGEE'S" ???

4/ "DAVID" WILL YOU AT ANY POINT BE VISITING "SCOTLAND" TO EXPLAIN "YOUR" DECISION TO ALLOW THESE REFUGEE'S TO BE "HOUSED" THERE DESPITE "34,605" PEOPLE BEING REGISTERED "HOMELESS" IN SCOTLAND ?

5/"DAVID" WILL YOU BE ANYTIME "SOON" BE MAKING PROVISIONS TO "HOUSE" THESE "34,605" SCOTTISH PEOPLE BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE "REST" OF "YOUR" 20,000" REFUGEE'S ???

6/"DAVID" WHILST YOUR ON WITH YOUR "VERY GENEROUS" MISSION TO "HOUSE THE WORLD" COULD YOU MAKE A START BY "HOUSING" THE "66,980" FAMILIES/ INDIVIDUALS REGISTERED "HOMELESS" IN "ENGLAND ???
"99,080" CHILDREN IN "ENGLAND" WITHOUT A PLACE CALLED "HOME" ???

7/"DAVID" (ONCE YOUR REFUGEE'S ARE SORTED "OBVIOUSLY") COULD YOU ALSO AT SOME POINT SPARE A THOUGHT AND MAYBE EVEN A "FEW BOB" OF THE "BRITISH TAX-PAYERS MONEY" THAT YOU SO FREELY GIVE AWAY TO NON BRITISH PEOPLE "£12 BILLION A YEAR IN OVERSEA'S AID" TO HOUSE THE "9,000" "BRITISH"EX SERVICEMEN LIVING ON "BRITISH" STREETS ???

8/ "DAVID" COULD YOU PLEASE HAVE A WORD WITH "GEORGE OSBOURNE" YOUR CHANCELLOR AND ASK HIM IF HE COULD "TARGET THE BENEFITS" OF "YOUR" REFUGEE'S IN HIS CRUSADE OF "AUSTERITY" AS "THEY" HAVE ACTUALLY "NEVER" CONTRIBUTED INTO THE SYSTEM IN THEIR LIVES UNLIKE THE "BRITISH WORKING POOR" THE "BRITISH" ELDERLY AND THE "BRITISH" DISABLED THAT HAVE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTED INTO THE SYSTEM "ALL THEIR LIVES" AND GEORGE OSBOURNE IS TURNING THEIR LIVES INTO A LIVING "HELL" !

9/ "DAVID" HAVE YOU MADE "SPECIAL" PROVISION'S FOR "YOUR" REFUGEE'S TO USE OUR ALREADY "OVER BURDENED" NHS ??? AND WILL "YOUR" REFUGEE'S BE ASKED TO SIGN "DO NOT RESCUSITATE" FORM'S LIKE "BRITISH" PENSIONERS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTANTLY DEEMED AS A "STRAIN UPON THE NHS" BY "YOU" AND YOUR CABINET !
DEPITE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY PAID INTO "OUR" NHS "ALL" OF THEIR LIVES ???

10/ "DAVID" COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN "WHY" WHEN THERE IS SO MUCH "WRONG" IN "OUR" COUNTRY !
SO MUCH THAT NEED'S TO BE DONE FOR THE "BRITISH" PEOPLE !
DO YOU AND YOUR GOVERNMENT "CONSTANTLY" ATTACK THE POOREST AND MOST VULNERABLE "BRITISH" PEOPLE ? ALL OF THESE HOMELESS I HAVE MENTIONED ?
15,000 ELDERLY "BRITISH" PEOPLE DIED NEEDLESSLY LAST YEAR SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO HEAT THEIR HOMES ???
THE DISABLED HAVING BENEFITS STRIPPED FROM THEM DESPITE HAVING CLAIMED DISABILITY LIVING ALLOWANCE FOR YOUR OWN DISABLED SON EVEN THO YOU ARE A MILLIONAIRE ???
WILL "YOU" BE VISITING ONE OF "YOUR" BELOVED "FOODBANKS" THIS CHRISTMAS ???

11/ "DAVID" COULD YOU PLEASE ALLOW "US" THE BRITISH PEOPLE TO BUY ARMS ???
IN CASE WE ARE FORCED TO "DEFEND OURSELVES" AND CHILDREN AGAINST THE 400 ISIS FIGHTERS THAT THERESA MAY HAS ADMITTED THIS WEEK "YOU" HAVE ALLOWED TO RETURN FROM SYRIA AND ARE FREELY LIVING AMONGST US ???
AND ALSO THE VERY "POSSIBLE" THREAT FROM THOSE REFUGEE'S YOU ARE DETERMINED TO FORCE "US" TO LIVE ALONGSIDE ??? SURELY THE "BRITISH" PEOPLE HAVE A "RIGHT" TO LIVE PEACEFULLY WITHOUT THREAT IN "BRITAIN ???

I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR ANSWER "DAVID" !
THO I WONT "UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU" BE HOLDING MY BREATH !

YOURS
WILLIAM CHARLTON
(ENGLISHMAN)

 

[trundles left foot]

Bet it wont be answered with an actual answer. I know this sounds like a very simplistic question, but how do we actually solve this problem, short of ridding our country of all Islam believers and banning the religion, which really is not an option. So how do we solve this problem.

 

[swantastic]

stolen from another forum
This will clear everything up for you !!!

A highly restricted briefing document on Syria....

President Assad ( who is bad ) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels ( who are good ) started winning ( Hurrah!).



But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic State ( who are definitely bad!) and some continued to support democracy ( who are still good.)



So the Americans ( who are good ) started bombing Islamic State ( who are bad ) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) so they could fight Assad ( who is still bad ) which was good.



By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS ( which is a good thing ) but the Turkish authorities think they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is another matter.



Getting back to Syria.



So President Putin ( who is bad, cos he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium poisoned sushi ) has decided to back Assad ( who is still bad ) by attacking IS ( who are also bad ) which is sort of a good thing?



But Putin ( still bad ) thinks the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) are also bad, and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans ( who are good ) who are busy backing and arming the rebels ( who are also good).



Now Iran ( who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good ) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad ( still bad ) as are the Russians ( bad ) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria.



So a Coalition of Assad ( still bad ) Putin ( extra bad ) and the Iranians ( good, but in a bad sort of way ) are going to attack IS ( who are bad ) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) which is bad.



Now the British ( obviously good, except that nice Mr Corbyn in the corduroy jacket, who is probably bad ) and the Americans ( also good ) cannot attack Assad ( still bad ) for fear of upsetting Putin ( bad ) and Iran ( good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS ( who are super bad).



So Assad ( bad ) is now probably good, being better than IS ( but let’s face it, drinking your own wee is better than IS so no real choice there ) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them Good. America ( still Good ) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin ( now good ) and that nice mad Ayatollah in Iran ( also Good ) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now Bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS ( still the only constantly bad group).



To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims ( Assad and Iran ) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihads fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as Good ( Doh!.)



Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal ( mmm. might have a point.) and hence we will be seen as Bad.



So now we have America ( now bad ) and Britain ( also bad ) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels ( bad ) many of whom are looking to IS ( Good / bad ) for support against Assad ( now good ) who, along with Iran ( also Good) and Putin ( also, now, unbelievably, Good ) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started?



There there, so, now you fully understand everything....... Simples, all your questions are answered!!!!

Got to go, as me nurse is coming.

Rgd's Graham.

 

[DragonPhilljack]

You cannot destroy religion ,no more than you can destroy beliefs , unless of course you mean destroy mankind ., We don't need the UN to do that

Of course you can destroy religion, you can strip the vast wealth these religions have for starters, then you can confiscate all their property and places of worship, where will they then meet? and that is what is going to happen, there are already plans in place for this at the UN. Removing and destroying the reigious structures and meeting places and wealth will pretty much render 99% of religions inoperative, of course you could never destroy Ideology or faith in the minds of the religious followers, that's not religion, that's belief, I didn't say they would or could destroy 'belief'..................

 

[DragonPhilljack]

what you smoking! Even if religions didn't exist there will still be war and mass killings, not every war/killings in done by religious people.

Where have you been? have you not noticed that all the conflicts in the middle east, Affrica, Asia, India, Pakistan, Afganistan etc, are all religious based? wakey wakey..........................

 

[Stereo]

.....but what about the Scientologists......how do they all fit into this ? Miscavidge and Cruise will rule the world won't they ?

 

[Matthew Bound Still Lurks]

You cannot separate belief from religion or vice versa ,they are one .We're both too old to remember but didn't Henry the V111 attempt to dissolve the monasteries but was thwarted by his subjects, particularly in the North of England, who were against the Dissolution. Catholic faith remained especially strong so even without meeting places etc their beliefs held strong In October 1536 a large rebel army of over 30,000 people marched to York and demanded that the monasteries should be reopened. This march became known as the Pilgrimage of Grace. The rebels were promised a pardon and a Parliament in York to discuss their demands, and they disbanded. However they had been tricked; Henry gave orders that the leaders of the rebellion should be arrested and around 200 people were executed.But the catholic faith i this country survived so do you be live that in this day and age people of all religions meekly accept what you're suggesting .
In 1966, the United Nations developed the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) in addition to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 18 of the ICCPR focuses on four elements of religious freedom:

• Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others, and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.
• No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.
• Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.
• The States Parties to the present Covenant undertake to have respect for the liberty of parents and, when applicable, legal guardians to ensure the religious and moral education of their children in conformity with their own convictions.

 

[DragonPhilljack]

Matt the UN can pass what it likes, but it cannot enforce anything, it has no power, it is merely an international debating chamber, but that will change, and when it is given the power, it will use it to destroy religion, because it will then have the power to establish 'Peace and Security' which has not been achievable for over a century, religion stands in the way of 'Peace and Security'......................

 

[Kifflom!]

Got to say my pet hate right now are the conspiracy theorists that infest You Tube. Anything from "false flag Paris attack" to "Paris is a hoax" to "Russian plane wreckage is fake". These channels have their deluded fans that are prepared to believe absolutely anything and I've had some major up and downers with them.

It winds me up more than anything else because it's insulting to the dead and injured and they are prepared to blame Jews, Israel, Mossad, Americans, CIA, MI6, or anyone other than the Islamic nutjobs that actually did it.

 

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[Kifflom!]

Hostages taken in Mali just now at an international hotel. Islamist terrorists released hostages who could recite passages from the Qur'an. But of course these groups "have nothing to do with Islam".

 

[Kifflom!]

I don't always agree with this guy as he's a Christian and I'm an Atheist. However, credit where it's due, he knows the Qur'an back to front and pisses all over the stupid conspiracy theorists out there. This attack was ISIS, and ISIS follow Islam. This is brilliant - and very educational.

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