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Grand Prix thread Formula 1 Rolex Magyar Nagydíj 2021

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by ched999uk, Jul 29, 2021.

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Who will make it through the first corner intact and win????

Poll closed Jul 31, 2021.
  1. Lewis Hamilton

    9 vote(s)
    69.2%
  2. Max Verstappen

    3 vote(s)
    23.1%
  3. Valtteri Bottas

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Sergio Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Lando Norris

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Daniel Ricciardo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Charles Leclerc

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Carlos Sainz

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  9. Pierre Gasly

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Any Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, also reducing the spectacle . 23 races….ffs…..

    I am old school though .
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

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    Ha. Guess it's okay if it's close, but if the title is over by September, there's still a way to go.
     
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  3. Number 1 Jasper

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    Yes , but the point us , everything is reduced isn’t it ?

    I mean September might be the end of the season ?
     
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  4. SgtBhaji

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    Got us going until Christmas atm.... Not going to complain too much. :)
     
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  5. Number 1 Jasper

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    i get your point , but quality over quantity for me :)
     
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    I agree. But so far this season has been quality, so bring 'em on. :)
     
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  7. Justjazz

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    It would be good if they could agree a universal cost of the engine replacement when damaged in an accident, may not be the real cost. If it fails then the cost is the real cost.
     
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  8. ched999uk

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    They did agree that the cost of supplying pu for the season is €15m. I assume that is within the usage limits set out by FIA so don't know how much extras ones are.
    Crash damage is just part of racing, Merc had big one with Bottas and George but unfortunate that Red Bull have had 1 big one and 2 medium ones that may have cost them 2 pu's! That must impact their budget especially as a big part from from fairly early on was for the new 2022 cars. Then again they do have 2 teams budgets to 'play' with!
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

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    I have no clue what costs come in at the point of going over the 3 power units. Anybody have anything on that? I'm sure it's probably nothing if you're a works team other than the grid penalties. But I assume they have units built ready to go for if/when they're needed. So how much actually gets saved?
     
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  10. Mr.B

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    This.
    As the old legal adage says, hard cases make bad law. It would be counter-productive trying to come up with cost-attribution / cost recovery rules, just in response to RBR's unusual situation.
    The finger-pointing, attempted manipulation etc was bad enough following Silverstone. It would have been a lawyer-fest if F1 had rules allowing some degree of remedy/redress for crash damage.
    Imagine all the legal objections and counter-arguments, and then the need to develop formulae to reflect how the detriment should vary, depending on when it happened in the season.

    It's bad luck for RBR without a doubt, but we know that if the tables were turned, they'd be agreeing that crash damage is just part of racing.
    The best solution is for them to stop being so obnoxious that even God wants to screw them over.
     
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  11. SgtBhaji

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    Need two like buttons for this. :)
     
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  12. Julius Caesar

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    Perhaps the question should be why is there even still penalties for using new engines at all?

    The point was to drive down costs, but now we have a budget cap.

    Teams that use a lot of parts are punished by not being able to spend the cash on development. That's enough I think, no need for a sporting penalty.
     
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    It would be a bit hypocritical to bring in crash compensation now. Crash damage has had a huge effect on the small teams for years and no one made a fuss. Now it's hindering the big boys it's suddenly a problem.
     
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  14. Number 1 Jasper

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    It is ironic that it’s the biggest teams that are moaning !
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

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    Yeah, exactly my point. It's like a welcome to the real world for the big spenders.
     
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  16. SgtBhaji

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    I guess part of the intention is to make it so that works teams don't have a contract for supply that allows them to bolt in a new unit every race, where none works teams only get a handful in their contract at the same cost.
     
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  17. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    'Sour grapes turn to whine for fizzy drinks team' would've made a great headline.
     
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  18. Justjazz

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    You clearly don't work for a newspaper otherwise we would have seen that on the back page. Is that your own creation or pub talk?
    Either way, it is a good 'un.
     
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  19. SgtBhaji

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    Bit harsh...but funny. :)

    Red Bull really are the real deal these days (not that they ever weren't, they just lacked the heritage maybe?) and with moving in to their own power unit development, they really are going to become a true manufacturer. Such a shame the head is a plum.
     
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  20. Justjazz

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    or Grape!
     
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