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Who will win the first race with new Quali format?

Poll closed Jul 16, 2021.
  1. Lewis Hamilton

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    44.4%
  2. Max Verstappen

    4 vote(s)
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  3. Valtteri Bottas

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  4. Sergio Perez

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  5. Lando Norris

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  6. Daniel Ricciardo

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  7. Charles Leclerc

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  8. Carlos Sainz

    0 vote(s)
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  9. Pierre Gasly

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  10. Any other

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  1. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    If Red Bull continue in the same form as they have for the first half of the season, they should be in good shape, despite the few quid they'll need to skim of the top of the Alpha Tauri budget. Engine could cause a hiccup later on, but it shouldn't be that bad. All they have to worry about is Merc working their backside off during the Summer and turning the tables on rhem.
     
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    That's my concern.
     
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    Lewis vs Bottas at Copse Corner (2018)



    2 examples of copse corner overtakes on the inside (2013) a little over 2 minutes in.

    Horner accuses Lewis of sticking a wheel up...he was alongside. It is noteable the respect given to the other drivers, really highlights the aggresion of Max. Horner says you don't overtake at Copse, just found 3 in a short period of time.
     
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    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    The not overtaking at Copse was just bullshit from the start, as is a lot of what poured out of Horner. He did change it later to sticking a wheel up the inside, presumably knowing what he said originally was utter guff.
     
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    There was a lot of posturing from Horner which really got on my wick. Yes, I can see they are probably not too happy but they know their driver was as responsible of taking the risk as Lewis was. I sense there was a desire to exploit the situation as much as possible, and the personal and professional attacks on Hamilton were pathetic really.
     
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    Oh they definitely wanted to try remove any suggestion that Max had a part to play in it. But that's not unusual as he's never in the wrong. I get them being pissed off, they managed to blow a substantial lead and also cost themselves a few quid in the process. But the state of Horner was disgraceful. As was Max's little rant on social media.
     
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    It's so annoying how people aren't acknowledging the fact that until the breaking, Lewis was almost along side him, his front wing was in line with Max's front tyres. All they chirp on about was Lewis' front tyre hit Max's rear so clearly he wasn't far enough along.

    It's like, come on, use common sense and look how it played out. Lewis had to break earlier than Max due to the angle he was coming in to the corner at so of course by the time Max turned and braked, then yes Lewis was a bit further back.

    The angle Lewis had to come at Copse was a direct result of Max squeezing Lewis on the straight. Just to be clear, I have no issues with Max squeezing Lewis but if you do that, you need to take into account your opponents position/angle/breaking at the corner. You can no longer just turn in like you normally would. It wasn't his defence on the straight I felt was too aggressive, that was great racing and what we all want to see, but his not taking into account what part of the track he forced Lewis before he himself turned in was too aggressive, which is why in my opinion it's 100% a racing incident as BOTH Lewis and Max could have done more to avoid it. But nope, it's all Lewis' fault, he tried to murder Max and should be banned # EyeRoll.

    I'm just so glad most people here can look at the whole incident and not just a tiny aspect of it that suits their narrative.
     
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    Because there is so much going on in that whole move, it's easy to cherry pick bits of it here and there. But the reality is both drivers were being aggressive, both unwilling to yield. Unfortunately for Max, he came off worse in the whole situation. Just gotta take that on the chin.
     
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    Hurrah for our MPs. I never thought I’d say that. But they have been talking sense about important stuff in parliament for a change. Sounds like Lord Hain is an F1 fan.

    https://apple.news/AZAres3xgQjaNprTLn-MoxA
     
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    While you certainly can't lay blame at Horner for the racist abuse, you can certainly lay blame at him for riling up sections of their "fan base". Some of which will inevitably hold racist views and see it as a green light to respond aggressively.

    When you band around things like "tried to kill him", and "put him in hospital" or whatever it was at the time, you're creating outrage and anger, and some of those people are going to head to social media and be abusive. The language was definitely inflammatory.
     
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    Definitely. The internet is never the best place for any kind of nuanced debate but it’s become so tribal these days, so polarised. The last few days I really have heard such rubbish, much of it quoting directly from Horner’s little rant. It creates an atmosphere where those with prejudices feel justified.
     
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    The Dutch race will be interesting.

    The Dutch give out a happy go.lucky persona , but trust me . They are not all Angels ......
     
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    It'll be a very hostile environment I can imagine. And again I think that will only inflate Max's thought process of everyone should get out of his way.

    The type of track, is it a Merc or RBR favoured track? Not that it matters overly at the moment unless Merc can pull a bit more out of the bag.
     
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    Yeah... It's going to be proper hostile when it rolls around. So long as that's all it is and we don't get anything sinister in the stands, then it's all good.
     
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    I fully agree with the observation that Horner is stoking up resentment. But we all know both who and what Horner is, as an adult and no doubt a boy.
    I was a Popeye fan as a kid, I ate my spinach and beat up the bullies. I hope Lewis is eating his spinach.<cheers>
    P.S. I did get a ticking off for it though.
     
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    In a speech that beggars belief, Horner is complaining that team pricipals should not be able to lobby stewards. I am speechless. They really have no self awareness at all. Did I imagine Horner on the radio baying at the stewards immediately after the crash?

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/h...sses-to-be-allowed-to-lobby-stewards/6634593/

    I have also heard Helmet is threatening to go the FIA and get them to issue some sort of punishment, like the FIA needs to return to more vindictive arbitrary judgments like it did during Spygate or the bad old days of Balestre. If I ever had any respect for those goons it has totally gone.
     
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    Came to post this but you beat me to it! I couldn't believe it, I was gobsmacked when reading it this morning. I certainly remember Horner's FIA radio come up first on the feed, saying how dangerous it was etc etc. Even the commentators said they believe Toto was getting on the radio after hearing the live feed of Horner's call!

    Max can make risky moves and it's brave, courageous, fearless, excellent driving. Anyone else does it and it's dangerous, disgraceful and deserves a race ban. Horner can call on the stewards and try to influence their decision but anyone else does it and it's a disgrace. x_x I swear, do they even think before they speak???
     
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    Close to speechless. If the FIA give credence to this I will be further speechless. Even if I try and put myself in their shoes I can't see it. It is racing and mostly a racing incident. How much of this noise is about lifting the morale of their own team? I do think someone should try and calm their anger, e.g. Brawn. Far far worse things happen. Such a move seems they are very uncertain about their own capability going forward. Lewis made it clear he won't back down in future, perhaps that is what has annoyed them to take this action.
    Maybe Lewis signing a new contract has upset them too.
     
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    While I agree that they shouldn't be able to influence the stewards opinion unless invited to give more data, this is clearly another case of the pot calling the kettle Grimy Arse.
     
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    Whilst we're calling out poor behaviour, I've been pretty disappointed by the response within F1 to the barrage of racist abuse aimed at Hamilton post-race.

    Of the 19 other F1 drivers, only Lando and Ricciardo have put anything personal I could see on social media to condemn it. In particular, Verstappen was very happy to blame Hamilton on social media for the crash, and call his celebrations disrespectful, but is not prepared to say anything about the racist abuse. Considering we're not at the point where half the grid (Bottas, Leclerc, Sainz, Raikkonen, Giovinazzi, Verstappen, Ocon, Tsunoda, Alonso, Mazepin) don't take part in the "take the knee" demonstration, it's not exactly a strong message of anti-racism coming from the drivers. There was a GPDA statement, that I could only see on reddit, that appears to have been shared only by Schumacher and Mazepin. All the teams (with the notable exception of Ferrari) managed to say something about it.

    It'll be interesting to see if the anti-racism message pre-race changes at all at Hungary. I think if I were Hamilton and don't see anything stronger from his fellow drivers before/during the race weekend, I'd be tempted to bin the whole thing. If half the field aren't prepared to make even the most prefunctory efforts in the face of one of their own being abused over a race weekend, it's pretty hypocritical to keep saying "we stand against racism".
     
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