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Formula 1 Gran Premio de España Santander 2012 Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by u408379965, May 8, 2012.

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Who will be victorious in Spain?

Poll closed May 10, 2012.
  1. Sebastian Vettel

    23.3%
  2. Lewis Hamilton

    46.7%
  3. Mark Webber

    6.7%
  4. Jenson Button

    13.3%
  5. Fernando Alonso

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Nico Rosberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Kimi Raikkonen

    6.7%
  8. Romain Grosjean

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Sergio Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Paul di Resta

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Bruno Senna

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Kamui Kobayashi

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Jean Eric Vergne

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Michael Schumacher

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Other (Please state)

    3.3%
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  1. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the link, Bando.

    No thanks for the photo.
     
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  2. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    He made a lot of passes on the track too. Yes he also made places when in free air whilst others pitted, but i'd count again how many he took out on the track itself. It certainly helped him in the race.

    I do think he was being ultra cautious with Massa and may have tried to make it stick around the outside of turn 1 if it were another driver.
     
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  3. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    I know, he overtook a lot of cars like the HRTs, Marussias, Caterhams, Force Indias and STRs but once he got to the more elite cars (not for trying), his car couldnt challenge because he didnt have the right gear ratio. Im guessing this lower gear ratio is very effective for qualifying.
     
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  4. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    But also due to the the top 10 being very competitive and there is no outright leading car out there. Every car suffers with dirty air when following a car that is on a par with theirs. It's what has made it so great this year as it is so close no one has an outright advantage.
     
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  5. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    I dont think the DRS was quite right this time round. It doesnt work with that final chicane before the entry. But unusual for the spanish GP their was alot of overtakes without the aid of DRS.

    Do we take away the banner of Farce-alona now?
     
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  6. genjigonzales

    genjigonzales Active Member

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    It probably wasn't quite right but I think it did a good drag reduction job in terms of enabling the chasing car to get up close going into turn one. I don't really want to see DRS guarantee a pass, I just want the faster car to have a fighting chance. To labour a well-laboured point, if they allowed its use all round the circuit but de-activated it for the car that's less than a second ahead of another then it would live up to its name and turn it into a tool rather than a gimmick.
     
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  7. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    How about Vettel at Monaco 2011? He did over 60 laps, which must be more than 100 miles?
     
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  8. JonnyBaws

    JonnyBaws Well-Known Member

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    Not in anyway belittling that achievement, but with Monaco being a street circuit, isn’t the tarmac there less abrasive than the tarmac used in purpose built tracks so tyre wear isn’t that bad?
    Also, even with the tyre’s approaching the cliff, it’s a lot harder to pass at Monaco than almost anywhere else, so as long as he kept his RB nice and wide, which he did, it was always going to be difficult for Alonso and Button to pass.
    Will the Super Soft’s make their debut in this year’s Monaco GP?
     
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  9. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    But surely it doesnt matter if it was a street track or not, he still lasted longer. ;)
    But the fact that is was the SS's makes it a better achievement, even though it doesnt really matter who has it.
     
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  10. Di Resta is faster than u

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    Hmm thats a damm good point
     
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  11. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Aye, soft and super-softs for Monaco. Probably the same in Montreal as well. Love it when they have the fast tyres out.
     
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  12. JonnyBaws

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    Again, not belittling that achievement, great drive, cannot be denied.
    Just wanted to know by those much more knowledgeable than me if the Monaco track is more or less abrasive than other purpose built tracks..
    Also, from http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/06/06/vettel-distance-monaco-pirelli/
    He did 56 laps, last two or three under the safety car and they were Softs not SuperSofts.

    Circuit_de_Catalunya is 2.892, 31 laps = 89.7miles
    Monaco is 2.075, 56laps = 116.2

    Yes, Vettel did more miles but one could argue that Hamilton had to overtake cars during that stint and running behind cars for that length of time would have negatively impacted his tyre’s more (dirty/hot air) whilst Vettel was out in front for most of that stint and wouldn’t have to deal with dirty/hot air coming off the cars in front impacting his tyres.

    Needless to say, quality drives by both.
     
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  13. Delete Me

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    2.08 mile circuit x 56 laps = 116.48 miles

    And was on target to lap people in 6th and 5th.
     
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  14. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Was it Monza where Vettel did a whole race on one set of tyres and pitted on the last (or one before) lap of the race and finished 4th where others did 2 stops?
     
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  15. JonnyBaws

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    That was on the Bridgestones in 2010
     
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  16. genjigonzales

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    Typical of CTA. Never let the facts get in the way of a good Hamilton adulation opportunity. <laugh>
     
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  17. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member
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    Maybe CTA were discounting last year as the tyre compounds have changed? I'm pretty sure they're softer this year.
     
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  18. Delete Me

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    I think I'm right in saying the Soft (prime) Seb used in Monaco is the hard Lewis used yesterday?
     
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  19. genjigonzales

    genjigonzales Active Member

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    I thought this year's hard was roughly equivalent to last year's medium?

    Here's the CTA quote:


    Regardless (it's a pointless statistic anyway with circuit characteristics and track conditions coming into play), I think the real comparison should be between Hamilton on a two-stop yesterday and Button on a three-stop, only because Hamilton's usually compared unfavourably to Button on tyre management.
     
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  20. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    That quote is unbelievably fanboyish. I agree it's a pointless thing to compare, it's an interesting bit of trivia but it's so flawed to compare which feat is more impressive in an "I think Lewis's was better" type way, it's flawed in so many ways, different compounds, different cars, different weather, different year, different drivers, different circuits...

    And yeah this year's hard is roughly last year's medium, the old soft is this year's medium and the current soft is a completely new compound.
     
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