Winifred - I shall play Devil's Advocate on behalf of Jayram, not that I speak for Jayram at all. You might say that it is "implied" that PISKIE is saying he knows more than Merson.
Indeed. In fact, in this thread I had to pull Piskie up on his extreme comment and offered him the chance to at least say that he knew less than Merson - which he stubbornly refused to take. He is very clearly saying that he believes he knows more than Merson - unless he comes out and admits he knows **** all himself. Its a common theme with dear old Piskie - completely rubbishing experts views that dont agree with his own, and then holding others up as proof of his own views when they agree with him. Completely hypocritical and totally deluded. Until Piskie retracts his stupid statement about Merson, or admits he is completely clueless, the only standing position is that he believes he knows more than Merson
Here's the original quote: Not implying that I know more about him at all, I'm saying that he's a crap pundit and pretty clueless about Arsenal these days. As demonstrated by his comment 'this year we'll go back to the days before Graham and be playing in front of 18,000'. He may know some things about Arsenal that we don't, but his punditry is cack Jayram got upset because I said I'd still take Mers' view over his - so in spite, and as Winifred pointed out, Jayram is guilty of The same as he did when he claimed that I said I know more than George Graham and Stuart Robson and despite asking him repeatedly to back up his claim with a quote, he can't. The reason he can't is because he's spouting **** - so I pull him up for it - and this endless cycle continues
I think the real issue here is how Jayram took a simple comment, and twisted it to try and 'get one over'. Anyone reading through the thread can see that.
Aaah, but you said Merson was "clueless about Arsenal these days", so if that is the case and, if you know less than Merson, that means you are "worse than clueless" - which is the logical point Jayram was making. If you think Merson is clueless about Arsenal then, unless you admit to being "worse than clueless about Arsenal" yourself, you are implying that you know at least as much about Arsenal as Merson - or more. I see the game Jayram is playing here, quite clever, but ultimately it is a lose/lose situation for you PISKIE Damned if you do and damned if you don't in this case. I'm glad I don't have to cross swords with Jayram
The problem is Piskie that you keep making these ridiculous statements. you've said that Graham's view on Walcott proves he knows nothing about football, and that Merson is pretty clueless about Arsenal. These comments are being made to discredit anyone who does not hold your views, yet you are quick to post ANY comment from an ex Arsenal player to support your views as being correct. In other words its you who is trying to "get one over" on others by being completely disingenous. Obviously you are going to be called out for this hypocrisy. The way to end the cycle you talk of is by not making these stupid statements that people like Merson are clueless about Arsenal and Graham knows nothing about football. When they are critical of Arsenal, their views have to be listened to - far more so than yours. Its not twisting of words at all, you just get embarrassed about being called out for it. Merson is apparently cluess about Arsenal according to you. So are you less than clueless about Arsenal then, or do you believe you know more than him? Simple question. Please answer. Graham apparently knows nothing about football because of his views on Walcott according to you. So do you know nothing also, or do you think you know more than him? Simple question. Please answer. Alternatively you could just admit you were being silly in trying to discredit their views because they disagree with you - and preferably not do these silly things in the future.
If DB10 was quoted as saying that we would be lucky to achieve gates of 10,000 next season, would you round on Hothead if he said he was clueless or that it was a clueless statement? The answer is NO. You would take Hotty's comment in the spirit in which it was made and not try to score cheap, peurile points off of him.
I said that GG didn't know what he was talking about when he said we should sell walcott and that Merson is pretty clueless about Arsenal these days. I also said that Merson may know some things about Arsenal but his punditry is cack. And I stand by that. I'm neither saying I know more, or that my views are less than clueless. That is your own paraphrasing (or twisiting) built out of your assumptions. Those views belong in your head, where the rest of the crap lives ---------------- As for discrediting 'anyone who does not hold your views' - again, not true. You're making it up. Re read the thread, I've already said I take on board criticisms from former players, Vieira and Begkamp being examples. You want to paint a picture of what you think I believe, but you fail to realise that your thinking is wide of the mark. As I said, that crap belongs in your head. You are twisting words to try and force a non point - so the way to end this cycle is for you to debate the article properly instead of manipulating every comment
It's obvious to anyone reading this thread what Jayram is trying to do. Basically manipulating comments to try and derail the thread. Back on topic now Jayram or go outside and enjoy some sunshine
If anyone said that Merson's (or anyone elses) statement on the 18k fans was 'clueless', then I would understand where they were coming from. If anyone said Bergkamp was clueless I would have them committed. Talking about a single statement being clueless is very different from trying to rubbish anything anyone says (even experts) about Arsenal because it goes against your own views. Worse still is trying to hold on to that statement for dear life to save having to admit how silly it was.
Lovely day isnt it! About time. What we're talking about here is completely on topic - it's about former players views. You have decided to rubbish Merson as being clueless about Arsenal - and I am saying you are talking bollocks. Merson's views have to be taken seriously - he clearly knows far more about the goings on at Arsenal than you or I.
...Back on topic I think Vieira is showing his discontent with what Arsenal are currently doing which is fair enough, and the people who say that he is trying to cause problems between RVP and Arsenal he is working for City therefore there is only so much loyalty he can show to us, he is a professional who is trying to strengthen the current club he works for which means that loyalty would go out the window in this scenario. I wouldnt call him disloyal because of the recent things he said about RVP.
Bergkamp was a genius with a football. Does that make him an expert on the running of a football club? Really?
An expert, i dont know - but a genuis of a footballer and he's also a coach now at Ajax, plus he played over a decade for us. I think it would rather stupid for anyone to say he was clueless about Arsenal, don't you?
I understand your point, but it would still be prudent to attribute the 'clueless' tag to the occassional statement, were he to make the one suggested earlier for example.
