Forest sack Warburton
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Its not necessarily about instant success in the championship imo. It's whether the club is going in the right direction. Surely every owner wants to see some progression from one season to the next
I think he would be far better at setting up a proper long-term plan for our club and playing the right way, it won't be instant success but how much longer can we stomach the absolute dross Ollie is responsible for? And likely to be relegated as well...
Agreed. For some unexplainable reason people think Ollie is doing a good job!!!my lad informed me yesterday that he's not bothered about going to away games anymore and I couldn't argue with him
Are we likely to be relegated?
According to the bookies, three teams would have to do better than they are expected to for us to be relegated (and we would have to do worse than they think too). I know they are not always right but they are right more often than they are wrong.
I saw that the other day and I agree it is worrying
However, the form table can change fairly quickly over a couple of games.
The relegation odds are also dynamic but less susceptible to variation over a shorter period of time.
I am not an 'Olly In' man. I'm ambivalent towards Olly atm and drifting towards an 'Olly Out' man though I worry about who is actually available to take over.
Ninj I hear what you're saying but having a fine hanging over your head shouldn't have an effect on how you set a team up and tactics and selection
If the attitude is ‘no one else would want the job’ then we are truly screwed. If a club is grateful to have to a manager who is delivering close to nothing, that spells real trouble. But I don’t think it’s true. If Ferdinand and Hoos are doing their jobs properly they will already have a shortlist of promising managers already working on much tighter purse strings than Holloway, who would look at our (huge) squad, and our improving development squad and jump at the chance. No guarantee of success of course, but Holloway is easily replaceable, though not by some of the names some might suggest.
Anyway, it might not come to sacking him. He walked away from Palace saying he wasn’t up to it, the same thought might occur to him here. As it is manifestly true, evidence being the team is worse than the players we have (most of whom are decent to good championship standard) would suggest it should be.
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Two losses in the next two games and I think the pressure to go will just be too much...to be fair he seems to have come back from the brink a number times though
...but can you determine this within a short few months? Surely both sides layout their vision and philosophy during the interview process? I doubt he’d have been sacked had they been top of the table simply through route one lumping it up to a lanky **** up front.
Beautifully put.
The conclusion being that with a year of trying Holloway isn’t capable of implementing the agreed vision. We do try to play better football than route one, but we don’t have the personnel up front to make this work. To be fair, Les takes the blame for this too, if he leads recruitment and development in line with the ‘vision’ of how QPR play football, which I seem to remember included passing and scoring goals. So we revert to route one when we are chasing the game, which is far too often, and we are not very good at it.
I never thought I’d see the day when I looked back wistfully on the Big German as a mobile, intelligent, incisive, effective centre forward. But I am beginning to. Wunderbar!
The stability argument doesn’t wash with me either. The North Koreans have had stable (one family!) leadership for nearly 70 years, look where it’s got them. Stability with progress is fine, stability with stagnation or worse isn’t.
You would certainly like to think so uber.
Suppose that should happen everywhere at every club. On that note I wonder if our owners said to ian during his interview, ' we want to be near the bottom of the league and definately don't want to win away from home, try sign players that you won't use or if you do then set up so they are out of their natural position. Buy a big lump up front to play hoof ball when we are losing. Post match then say we were unlucky and if that chance had gone in or if we had scored first etc, think you can do that Ian'
I know this is far from scientific, but there are three big clubs below us - Hull, Sunderland and Birmingham. I'm willing to bet 2 of those will have the resources to avoid relegation - possibly all 3. As the table currently looks, that leaves us with the three B's. Burton, Bolton and Barnsley. If the Cardiff and Burton games don't go our way, we'll be right in that unenviable mix.