That banner is racist, and downright insulting. It's time UEFA got to grips with all this nonsense and come down heavily on the offending sides. If that was a British club there would be immediate sanctions
Considering West Ham fans sang "Adolf Hitler, he's coming for you"(amongst other things) just a couple of years ago and the FA did **** all, I disagree with the idea of a British club being punished for it. UEFA brought in pretty pathetic fines against anti-semitic chanting in the past but at least they did something about it.
In Pittsburgh, where there are lots of both, it was hard not take sides in the Serb-Croat enmity on some level. So I teeter on the brink of replying to ethnic slurs with something that's little better. I'll content myself with pointing out that the 20th century was the century of the Serbian diplomat, given that Serbian diplomats got it rolling by lighting the fuse which set off the First World War, and that I thought Dubrovnik was magic, Zagreb tasty, and Beograd entirely forgettable. Really, what is the matter with people like that, and club officials who let the banner remain up, if they did (and if they were ever able to understand what it said.)? There are anti-Semites in the western hemisphere, but the rest of us have by and large succeeded in teaching them to sit the f** down and shut the f** up.
Not a great game, but worth remembering how far we've come in just a few years. In one of our first returns to Europe not so long ago, Harry was forced to play kids and those with no danger of troubling the first team in order to keep the "first XI" available for the league cup. Today our "second XI" is extremely strong. Everton did well last night but played the entire first team that played in the last league match, we changed our whole outfield 10. A point is not a bad result, particularly when the other teams in the group drew as well. If we are playing like this by the last game of the group then maybe get upset, but until then why not just sit back and enjoy the quality squad we now have.
I once went to WHL and supporters were being searched before going in, the security man took one look at me and said"I think you're alright" and let me in without searching but I never went again because of that which I consider to be an indignity. So in some respects I think it has its merits because if supporters were searched before going in then banners like this wouldn't be seen. To me spurs are purely football and nothing else, no ethnic concerns come into me at all, I'm totally unmoved by anything like this because as long as Spurs continue as a club I couldn't care less who owns it. I've read that Spurs will lodge a complaint to UEFA about the banner, I disagree, just beat them at WHL, that's revenge enough. A complaint won't hurt those supporters at all but a defeat will.
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You're always due a few boring games a season and that was definitely one of them. Probably the worst I've seen Kane play, couldn't do a single thing right whether it came to shooting, heading or passing. Davies looked poor too. Townsend and Lennon didn't affect the game in the slightest and Paulinho barely touched the ball. Lloris was good, made some clinical saves to keep us in it. I thought the CB's (bar Fazio's misjudged header in first half) and the CM's were the only positives in terms of outfield players. Jan looked a lot more like the Jan of his debut season, Fazio showed he's definitely good enough to challenge for a starting role soon and Bentaleb and Stambouli were strong in midfield. Them four are the only guys who'll give Poch a bit of a headache when selecting his team for WBA. A point and a clean sheet away from home though is a positive statistic, realistically we should be able to beat Partizan but not everything is won on paper.
We have to endure similar at Old Trafford with some very offensive songs from one particular section of fans who have been getting away with it for years. All grounds have CCTV, all that is needed in your case is for maybe 6 fans be identified and charged. If proved guilty issue all 6 with a massive fine and a 20 year ban from football. All supporters would then get the message, and if they carry on, they face the same penalty. What I meant in my comments was that if it was a British club in a European competition, EUFA would be pretty swift in dealing with it. But as its a British club that are the victims, it gets ignored
I have Jewish blood running in my veins (albeit minimal - my late Nan was a 1/4 Jewish) and if I'm honest, I've not taken much offence - if any - to the banner. I actually found it quite comical. If we call ourselves the Yid Army and come from a Jewish heritage as a club, then why should we take an "Only Jews and Pussies" banner as racist/ racially insulting? It'd be different if Partizan had anything like "Die/ Burn/ Gas/ Scummy Jews" or any actual anti-Semitic abuse but I really don't find the banner that offensive. I can appreciate some are more sensitive to words than others but there are far worse things Partizan could've done than mimic an only fools and horses banner with words that aren't exactly racist (in my opinion). Maybe I'm too laid back on the matter and I apologise in advance if people think that.
It's clearly the tone of it. You think Partisan have put the word "Jews" on it as a compliment or a statement of fact? No it's intended as an insult. If you only put a ban on the most overt anti-semitism then you don't stop it at all, the racists will just as happily sing "Jewish Tottenham" as Lazio did(or might've been Inter), or use banners like this to get around it. I really don't understand how you can defend it, yes we call ourselves the Yid Army but we identified ourselves as that in reaction to abuse like this, the idea that we are somehow responsible for it falls into the same thinking as Baddiel's where despite the problem clearly being wider, as Ajax fans know, all the blame is lumped on us and ignore the evidence that it's simply not the case.
Offensive songs are sung all the time and never punished. It's racism and anti-semitism that is taken action against as that's the most universally unacceptable, other unsavoury chanting is offensive but allowed.
Not exactly defending it, just don't find it insulting. What's insulting about Lazio/ Inter singing "Jewish Tottenham", when we sing Yid Army? As I said, there's far worse Partizan could've done. If we want to truly rid anti-Semitism aimed towards us then we'll have to stop associating ourselves as Yids, Yid Army etc. For as long as we claim to be Yids, there will forever be abuse, whether we like it or not. The world isn't a perfect place and there will always be things that upset people, if that banner upsets you or anyone else for the matter then I think you allow the so called racists to get to you and "win". They probably wanted to provoke some sort of a response, if we give them one we're falling right into their hands.
To add to my last post. For me the best response we could/ should have given to that banner was to sing "Yid Army" or "Yids" for 90 minutes to let them know we're not ashamed or bothered by a petty insult. The more worked up we get, the more opposition will know it affects us and likely continue. But as I said, that banner is mildly insulting at best. Hissing, Adolf songs, vile verbal insults and anything of that ilk, that to me is insulting and requires some sort of action. A banner stating Jews in the mould of only fools and horses makes me laugh, both at the comical aspect and the petty aspect, they've obviously paid a decent bit of money to get that created, more fool them.
I get where you are coming from, but the addition of pussies gives it a different slant - unless that is factual now?
We reclaimed the word once. It's ours. I like the idea of singing it for 90 minutes. Nyan Cat being played on the Jumbotron for 90 minutes would be my next choice...
Haha - I think the PC brigade and over the top human rights cases have made us English a lot less thick-skinned these days, we seem to take even the pettiest of insults way too personally and feel the need to act with an abundance of legal procedures when personally a simple laugh in the face of idiocy is a better action in my eyes - and a lot less hassle!
Not thin skinned, and not bothered about the banner. Just saying it was meant as an insult, and not a mild one. Ignoring is an option, but the intent was there. Equating being being a jew and a pussy is not very respectful.
