To raise minimum wage, to build all this infrastructure cost money. We are coming out of a recession and trying to pay back all previous debts. I work in the onstruction industry, not all places are green belt and there is **** loads being built at the moment. However when you build more houses the demand drops so then do house prices. Which then effects the current house owners who have to take a loss on their properties. Which leads to negative equity which then leads to debt the very thing the country is trying to climb out of. To make it worse 15% of new property developments has to go to housing association's meaning you could be paying a lot of money to live a street away with houses the same value as some job shy lazy twat. Not really a good arguement on immigrants MTG, you would of been better off saying that it's the UK residents that refuse to work for minimum wage that's allowing the immigrants to do it. No one is complaining about the ones that work, it's the ones coming here and living on the benefits and draining the systems that our grandparents fought for. Or even worse the horrible ****ing ****s of the ones who come here and have hatred towards this country and want sharia law and to stop our way of life like Christmas, you probably to young to know the real nativity of Christmas because we are told it upsets other religions.
At the end of the day my generation is struggling because of rising house prices, a 3 bedroom house can be £900+ a month to rent and people who are working hard to earn a living can't get a house til they are 30! I say tough luck to those who may lose a bit of money because there are millions who are struggling to get a house and are working to survive not to live. Rupert Mmurdochs daily mail will scaremonger people to believin myths about immigrants and Muslims to cover the truth and allow the billionaires like iPhone to get richer whilst the poor get poorer. Also companies that can't pay more than minimum wage to their staff are ****ty and deserve what they get when it gets raised.
****ing Amen.. (and parents) My father survived D day and I look now and wonder why he bothered, my old man was 19 the same age as my son is now. What sort of society deems it ok just to go and get some free money if you don't fancy working for it..?? Welfare was supposed to be a safety net for people that couldn't work or were temporarily unable to, not a lifestyle choice and why do you refer to people who don't wish to continue to pay (mostly illegal) immigrants for doing nothing, as racists, what has skin colour got to do with it? I'll swap you 10 genuine Africans who value education and the ability to be able to earn money for one workshy, weed smoking junkie chav from here. and as you like facts heres another, we as a country spend 7% of the worlds income on 1% of the population, by far and away the highest anywhere pro rata in the world, the left seem to like spending it but are a bit shy about where its all coming from.
Yes I agree with you that there is a small number of people who are wrongly exploiting the weldpfare system. However the number of people exploiting it is very small compared to what is believed and the tabloids will have you believe of 10 million immigrants living off it when in reality we spend 20 times more money on pensions than welfare. And there are so many who actually need benefits, such as the disabled and those with degrees who have been made redundant.
Iphone (Apple) get rich because they are giving the people what they want. Remember these rich ****ers as you put them allow you to do what you're doing now and that's writing on the Internet. Without Apple and Microsoft businesses would struggle in today's age. You're making yourself look silly with those comments about people who's worked hard to get properties that are worth money to say tough luck to them. I'm a BMW driving, IPad using Sky viewer home owner, so based on your argument I should sacrifice all I worked for just because it's too expensive for your generation? Equally so your generation who have not got it any harder than ours at the same age, just because the sum is higher our wage was probably about £50 average a week. We got off our arses worked for the minimum wage back in those days and made something of ourselves. As for the Muslims, there are loads of good ones but the problem is that it's Muslims causing the **** like in Tunisia. So that innocent people die, innocent people have to re schedule their holidays. The government have to fund the loses. Hitler wanted one single race I suppose you're going to say he's ok and his followers were ok as well? And remember in that lot there was more good Germans than bad ones it's just the good ones didn't stand up for themselves. If the good Muslims done this maybe these attacks could be avoided.
And likewise if my generation don't stand up for ourselves then we will be punished by the Tories. I am not saying that those who have worked hard should lose everything. I am just saying is it right that people born I to wealth can control ordinary people by payin low and buying & renting out houses at ridiculous rates so that people can't save up and buy a house? The difference between wages and cost of living is much higher than it was in the past and hence causes a few to exploit the state. In other generations wages may have been just as low but the cost of living was comparatively much lower.
Now you're just talking bollocks. Under Labour we sold all the countries gold to fund the debts that they caused. Also you can't decipher the two between the ones that worked hard v the ones that inherited the money. It's nothing at all to do with your generation standing against the system, it's about work hard and you can have the benefits that go with it. Like a mortgage, I bet most on here didn't start till they were about 25, after they struggled on low wages until then. And incase you're wondering I'm not a Torie.
It's one thing to sell off gold. It's anothing thing to sell off Houses -causing the current crisis Energy - another rip off Railways- franchised for private profit Water boards - another monopoly you have to pay for Royal Mail - we were making a profit on it
What so it's worse to sell of utilities company's who dominated and virtually gave us no choice who we went with? To selling of the countries assets? Putting us in debt to other countries and giving us nothing to bargain with?
I am not getting involved with the arguments, as some of the points put forward are so wide of the mark, but I was 19 when I bought my first house, the deposit was 10% and I had to have a further loan / protection thing that was ??% of the cost for the first ?? years! first child before 20 and 2 by 21 it was hard work keeping it all together! Wages then was £19 per week (£1000 per annum ) mortgage was £26 a month plus the loan thing, child benefit was on 1 child only! and no family income support or anything. deposit was £335 today similarly on a similar / same house would be £ 19, 500 ( now 5%?? £9,500) so an ordinary working class person has made a gain of over £ 200,000 on the original, after 50 years, less mortgage payments that were the highest ever at 16% for a couple of years and over 10% for 20 of them! The moral is you get what you work for...oh ... the spongers .. they should get £25 a week and put in housing which is a bed sit, with bathroom and kitchen area, and a free bus ride to the local job centre....... If the majority of our benefit leeches took on work there would be nothing for the illegals to come here for...
I have personal acquaintances (I refuse to call the them friends) that have quite seriously never done a days works since I left school the same day as them in 1980 with no other reason than they dint fancy it... we're all to blame for letting it happen. I've had enough, its not even our own,, we're paying for far and wide to do it now!
'If the majority of our benefit leeches took on work there would be nothing for the illegals to come here for...' Spot on, forget whether you're red or blue. It was our Government : who in the past have allowed 'benefit leeches' to thrive, who sold 'the family silver' and our gold, who signed up to uncontrolled immigration allowing 'benefit leeches' to sit on the arses. It's our current Government who won't do f**k all about it. The Mayor of Calais reckons : 'Why do 'illegals' want to go to England ? Because of your benefits. It's your own fault'. He's not wrong.
I have been trying to find a single version of the truth for months now on the issues that concern me; Europe and Immigration, but there isn't one. If you read the Tory or right wing press you will read that immigration is costing us, by way of benefits claims and strain on resources etc, whereas if you read the left-wing press you will read how immigration is benefitting us - particularly in the NHS which seems to be a popular claim by the left. You will also read different figures as to the number of people actually getting in - I suspect that nobody really knows. What IS obvious to me though, is that given we already have a housing crisis, and with the number of people coming here each year ranging between 200k and 500k (depending on what source you read) we simply cannot sustain that growth in population because our infrastructure and accommodation can't catch up. We would have to build a large town the size of Swindon every YEAR in order to accomodate them. It makes no difference if they are all top doctors, engineers, FOOTBALLERS even, or on benefts, we simply do not have the room. This isn't a race thing. It's maths. As for the benefits question and Calais; I asked this question of Anne Snelgrove (the former Swindon Labour MP): 'Why, if our benefits system is NOT over generous, as your party claims, do people still risk life and limb to camp in northern France and cling to lorries in order to get here? - is it some great MYTH, some folly of gigantic proportion, that seems to be believed the world over, that simply isnt true?'. Typical for a politician she didn't give me a straight answer, so I still don't know. There are some figures in here though for those that can be bothered to read them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33268521 However, the tories aren't much better at tackling this are they - we have had a tory dominated government for the past 4 years and immigration has actually gone UP, so if there has been an over-generous benefits system in place they have not been very successful in stopping it! As for Europe and whether we should be in or out; what a stupid, dangerous question to put to a largely ill-informed population (including me) who again, have only the conflicting statistics and half-snippets of information being fed to them by a media with their own political bias and spin to serve, to help them reach an ENOURMOUS decision on which way to vote! Sure, we might be able to improve the current immigration challenges by leaving the EU, but who knows what damage will be done to existing trade contracts if we were to leave the union? It could be disasterous for our industries - or it could be advantagous - some point to Sweden as an example of a country that does ok from outside the EU (?) - I WANT TO KNOW - but I get a different scenario played out to me each time I approach another source! Confused and frustrated.
When I was in Montpelier a few years ago I had quite a conversation with a business owner regarding France's approach to the same problems that seem to have plagued the E.U. with unwanted immigrants. He said that France will eventually sort out their end of the problem and was grateful that most refuges currently located on French soil only wanted to get to England so imagine my shock when he answered my question as to why - BENEFITS. Well blow me down with a wet croissant.
At the end of the day if it was economically beneficial to leave the EU then we would have left by now. Going back to my first point on this thread, the delusion of the benefit thiefs (refugees who need help because we bomb their countries and they have nothing. Who we could help by spending foreign aid.) is what is dangerous. UKIP and other racist parties will have you believe this in order to vote for their pathetic rich boy parties. Meanwhile papers sell using headlines which are powerful, hence why immigration falls heavily. Everyone who believes that we have an immigration and benefits crisis is deluded in my opinion. I have worked with immigrants who live to work and do the ****ty minimum wage jobs that no one wants to do because with crippled unions, they are exploitative and hard.
MTG - Not sure I agree with your first point, as that assumes that our government always does what's best for the nation - and we know thats rubbish, or we would not have followed the USA into Iraq..... .....which leads me onto your second point; firstly, you mention 'refugees needing help because we bomb their countries' - actually, the majority of migrants in Calais, jumping our trains and breaking into lorries are from Eritrea - a country that we have not had any military conflict with. Interestingly, I don't know if you have noticed, but those migrants are almost ALL male, aged between about 17 and 50. Where are their women and children? Left at home? Surely you would expect entire families to be there - but they are not (not sure what the significance of this is, but its interesting nonetheless) and if you really think we don't have an immigration or benefits crisis you should take a van to Calais and leave the tailgate open. Only last year, here in Swindon, a school bus's baggage hold was opened after a French Exchange to let the kids get their suitcases - and a migrant jumped out and ran away down the road in front of amazed teachers and parents!!. It may not be a 'crisis', but there is certainly a problem, which can't be resolved by simply opening our borders and letting everyone in. Also, you mention that we 'could help by sending foreign aid' - actually you may not realise it, but that is quite close to one of UKIPs policies - not sending aid (after all, what would you do - post a cheque to Assad?) but actually tackling the 'problem' at its source - ensuring that there are 'safe havens' for those people fleeing conflict within their own borders, so that they are not tempted to make the perilous (and sometimes deadly) trip over to us. Please don't mistake me for a racist, a UKIP supporter - or even a Tory. I am none of these - nor am I a Labour man, nor a Lib Dem. I am an independant-thinking individual concerned about the state of our country and in my time I have voted (mostly reluctantly) for all the main parties. In fact, I voted Lib Dem some years ago, because Charles Kennedy (God rest his soul) was the ONLY political leader who opposed the Iraq war - incidently it was a Labour government who took us there, so as a Labour supporter (which I gather you are from some of your statements) I would be careful when you throw that line in...as it may get thrown back at you! Basically, if you remember that there is NO one political party or system with all the answers then you will begin to see the real world.....you just have to choose the least awful of a bad bunch.
It's not all about immigration, it's about control. In 1939 a little man called Adolf tried to control Europe, thankfully he got a bloody nose, now Angela is trying a different approach - this time they may succeed!
Bollocks It's just no one takes note of Cameron's half arsed threats to leave the EU. They know we'd be ****ed if we left.
