Bob, I aren't saying that it is a better value bet than ROTO's. I am sure not everyone will have got on at these prices and looking at the race and how it stands right now, that is for me is value against odds on Cinders And Ashes. Obviously everyone would want to be in that position of having one to beat home for each way spoils to be landed. The form of the Supreme so far looks awful. Prospect Wells, beaten when receiving plenty of weight from Zarkandar and subsequently beaten in the Racing Post Hurdle. Trifolium beaten out of sight on seasonal reappearance. Excuses can be made and should strip much fitter here. Don't think there is a lot of strength in depth in that race at all. This is why if striking a bet as things stand. I would be very happy to take Countrywide Flame at 5/1