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PleaseNotPoll said:
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When do we get to see a breakdown of the voting? It should be very revealing.
I've heard that Spain voted for him, which probably shouldn't surprise anyone:
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I don't think you get a break down, it's a private ballot so no one knows... or should know in theory.

The reasons given for Blatter are so flimsy. He basically won the whole of Africa's vote for the forseeable future based on having a World Cup there. Well that's been their reasoning that they're willing to make public, at least. Even if true, they voted on a small moment in a period where corruption allegations have been rife, inadequetly delt with and the reputation of FIFA has plummeted. Anyone that values football simply couldn't have voted for him.

I think Ali let football fans across the World down by withdrawing despite earning a second round. I'd love to know what his reasoning was, if it was that he couldn't win without a miracle, well he should've known that to begin with so why run at all?
 
Yid Vicious said:
I don't think you get a break down, it's a private ballot so no one knows... or should know in theory.
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Why's it a private ballot? These people are representing nations. They have a right to know who they're voting for.

Yid Vicious said:
I think Ali let football fans across the World down by withdrawing despite earning a second round. I'd love to know what his reasoning was, if it was that he couldn't win without a miracle, well he should've known that to begin with so why run at all?
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He probably realised that this could've gone on indefinitely. The second round was quite pointless. Who was going to change their vote?
 
Something will now surely happen when the head of the FA comes out and says this a corrupt organisation.

Did I just say the FA would act! <laugh>
 
As Platini has alluded to, UEFA should just withdraw all support from FIFA. Surely, only an old deluded crook, like Blatter, could possibly think that his organisation has any vestige of credibility left after this latest debacle.

I would add that I think The Yanks have him in their sights. If he thinks he can front this one out, I think he has seriously miscalculated.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
As Platini has alluded to, UEFA should just withdraw all support from FIFA. Surely, only an old deluded crook, like Blatter, could possibly think that his organisation has any vestige of credibility left after this latest debacle.

I would add that I think The Yanks have him in their sights. If he thinks he can front this one out, I think he has seriously miscalculated.
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I've heard a theory (down a pub, but still...) that Blatter hopes the only way he'll ever leave FIFA is on his back, because as long as he remains with FIFA he's going to have some protection from getting nabbed.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
I've heard a theory (down a pub, but still...) that Blatter hopes the only way he'll ever leave FIFA is on his back, because as long as he remains with FIFA he's going to have some protection from getting nabbed.
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Possibly, but i doubt the septics see it like that. I think they're gunning for him. The Swiss are almost certainly embarrassed by the whole thing, they certainly don't want any hint of any impropriety on their turf ( I mean, as if! ) so I think they'd be delighted to extradite him at the first opportunity.
 
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Yid Vicious said:
Presumably so they can take bribes from all candidates and no one will know whether they went back on their deal.
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That sounds as if it's straight from FIFA's ethics commitee. Ethics commitee? I mean, WTF would FIFA know about ethics. They probably think it's east of London.
 
I see Greg Dyke is mouthing off after Blatter got re-elected, yet he's hoping nobody is missing the obvious point here: if The FA are so opposed to Blatter, why didn't they put up an anti-corruption candidate to stand against him? They've had four years to pick a candidate and put a campaign together, but rather than make a stand they sit around bitching and moaning while getting nothing done.

NowsufferinginSpain said:
Possibly, but i doubt the septics see it like that. I think they're gunning for him. The Swiss are almost certainly embarrassed by the whole thing, they certainly don't want any hint of any impropriety on their turf ( I mean, as if! ) so I think they'd be delighted to extradite him at the first opportunity.
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If the Swiss aren't embarrassed by the amount of Nazi loot stashed in their country, or tax dodgers like Lewis Hamilton moving there, I doubt they'll be embarrassed by FIFA's stronghold being in Zurich.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
I see Greg Dyke is mouthing off after Blatter got re-elected, yet he's hoping nobody is missing the obvious point here: if The FA are so opposed to Blatter, why didn't they put up an anti-corruption candidate to stand against him? They've had four years to pick a candidate and put a campaign together, but rather than make a stand they sit around bitching and moaning while getting nothing done.
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What would be the point? There was already one there, so they'd undermine him and also have no chance of winning.
The others pulled out for those reasons.

The only way to deal with Blatter is to not play by his rules.
Europe and South America should threaten to pull out of FIFA unless the corruption's dealt with.
His support in Africa and Asia would then become an utter irrelevance.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
What would be the point? There was already one there, so they'd undermine him and also have no chance of winning.
The others pulled out for those reasons.

The only way to deal with Blatter is to not play by his rules.
Europe and South America should threaten to pull out of FIFA unless the corruption's dealt with.
His support in Africa and Asia would then become an utter irrelevance.
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Yet al-Hussein didn't declare he would be challenging Blatter until March this year, which means The FA had a clear run to put up their own candidate at any point since 2011 - but didn't. Even the bloke who was initially believed to be the front-runner to challenge Blatter, Jerome Champagne, didn't put his name forward until September 2014, while Michael van Praag didn't put his name forward until this January.

Indeed, it was the late arrivals of al-Hussein and van Praag (as well as Luis Figo) that undermined Champagne's campaign, which takes us back to the question why The FA sat on their backsides bitching and moaning for four years without doing anything. The closest they came to doing anything is when they tried to imply they were the only FA demanding a full investigation into the Garcia Report...a full week after DFB chief Wolfgang Niersbach demanded it.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
I see Greg Dyke is mouthing off after Blatter got re-elected, yet he's hoping nobody is missing the obvious point here: if The FA are so opposed to Blatter, why didn't they put up an anti-corruption candidate to stand against him? They've had four years to pick a candidate and put a campaign together, but rather than make a stand they sit around bitching and moaning while getting nothing done.


If the Swiss aren't embarrassed by the amount of Nazi loot stashed in their country, or tax dodgers like Lewis Hamilton moving there, I doubt they'll be embarrassed by FIFA's stronghold being in Zurich.
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I thought Hamilton was a Monaco resident, like most F1 drivers? The Swiss are perfectly happy to have the money and the rogues who own it, but they don't like embarrassment. Blatter is becoming (has become?) an embarrassment.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I thought Hamilton was a Monaco resident, like most F1 drivers? The Swiss are perfectly happy to have the money and the rogues who own it, but they don't like embarrassment. Blatter is becoming (has become?) an embarrassment.
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In 2007, after his first season in Formula One, he moved to Switzerland claiming he wanted to spend more time with his friends and family...who apparently all live in Zurich rather than Stevenage. He may have moved to Monaco at a later date, but he's always the first name that springs to mind when it comes to tax-dodgers living in Switzerland (unlike tax-dodgers who live in the UK, like Gary Barlowe or David Cameron's parents and in-laws...)
 
Surely there is no reason that countries have to be tied to the federation that is local to them?
Could UEFA pull out of the WC and decide to host another "European" championship in 2018 instead. With the addition that other non-Euro teams could enter also (eg, America, anyone else who is anti-FIFA).
Qualifying might be a bit of a mess with travel but i'm sure they could make it work.
UEFA could even adopt such countries permanently. I don't think it would take long before it got to a tipping point where UEFA was in charge
 
An Americas (North, Central and Latin) and Europe competition would be good. 24 teams could see the cream. Add in Australasia or any other dissenters. Russia's "World" Cup would be awful. Of course, they'll turn our gas off, but the football will be great.
 
Spurm said:
Surely there is no reason that countries have to be tied to the federation that is local to them?
Could UEFA pull out of the WC and decide to host another "European" championship in 2018 instead. With the addition that other non-Euro teams could enter also (eg, America, anyone else who is anti-FIFA).
Qualifying might be a bit of a mess with travel but i'm sure they could make it work.
UEFA could even adopt such countries permanently. I don't think it would take long before it got to a tipping point where UEFA was in charge
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I can think of one very good reason: certain countries will doubtless feel entitled to hosting the tournament, and when they don't get it they'll bitch and moan about it.

By "certain countries", obviously I mean England...
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
I can think of one very good reason: certain countries will doubtless feel entitled to hosting the tournament, and when they don't get it they'll bitch and moan about it.

By "certain countries", obviously I mean England...
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Yep, far better to give it to dictatorships with abysmal human rights records, instead.
 
Blatter is simply taking advantage of the fact that the European and South American associations treated the rest of the world like **** for years. Since Blatter has been in charge the money and the tournaments have been spread around much more fairly and there have been more non-European qualifiers for the World Cup so the majority of the African and Asian associations are genuine supporters of his policies. UEFA are never going to have a successful candidate because these associations can't accept the colonial holier than thou attitude of associations like the FA.
 
PowerSpurs said:
Blatter is simply taking advantage of the fact that the European and South American associations treated the rest of the world like **** for years. Since Blatter has been in charge the money and the tournaments have been spread around much more fairly and there have been more non-European qualifiers for the World Cup so the majority of the African and Asian associations are genuine supporters of his policies. UEFA are never going to have a successful candidate because these associations can't accept the colonial holier than thou attitude of associations like the FA.
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Is it not because FIFA's a massively corrupt organisation and loads of them have their noses in the trough, then?
I'm sure I heard something about that on the news recently...
 
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