Fergie Yet more Hypocrisy From most hated man in football

Oh right, so all those journos are your alter egos?

Look lad LFC have been through far more difficult situations and are still here.

 

You guys are an embarrassment.

 

And you're a ****ing eejit

 

Wow, found it hard to belive those links where real, just shows what scumbags the press are. Kenny must rise above it all, we all know the truth, he is a sensitive man, but he must dig his heels in now, and stand up for what he believs in, ram it down fergies throat kenny, that is your destiny, do not rest till you achieve it.

 

Somebody at Liverpool needs to explain to Luis Suárez the damage he is doing to a great footballing institution. Somebody at Anfield needs to persuade Kenny Dalglish to realise that the club are walking alone in a world of rising opprobrium. Past and present No7s need to think again. - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...walking-alone-in-standing-by-Luis-Suarez.html

Lol, that is a genuine article from the telegraph, if a wum posted that, they would be given an epic F.

 

The moment you agree with me is the moment I suddenly realise Suarez is a ****ing legend.

 

Just what is your problem?

The FA is a farce and not fit for purpose. It is the judge and jury. It convicts with a 99.5% success rate on all cases it brings. Even the Government has raised questions about the FA's role in governing the sport and criticised the organisation for lack of clarity.

To then say the FA's hearing was "...deemed fair and above board" lacks credibility. Who deemed it fair and above board? Is it you? Who made you the judge?

Addressing the points one by one.

Er, he did, and admitted as much. He said "Porque, Negro." - which could literally mean, according to the FA's linguistic experts, "What, mate?"

Not sure where you get this one from? Probably a misunderstanding, propagated and perpetuated by the media, and relating to the next one...

A previous FA panel found Evra's testimony to be lacking credibility (in the case of the Chelsea groundsman who Evra attacked).

Having read the report, the panel have been highly selective in which testimony they accepted and which they rejected, and their conclusions are simply not supported with anything like as much weight as the conclusions make out.

This relates back to the period of time after the release of the findings and before the report, and the decision of the club NOT to appeal. The release of the report alone did enough to show that the findings are not wholly in support of the conclusions.

They do. The balance of probabilities indicates belief of ever so slightly more likely than not. If I told you a medicine was likely on the balance of probabilities likely to cure you of a crippling diasese, but it only worked 50.1% of the time, and the rest of the takers died, would you shell out for it? Probably not.

It means that the FA panel can get it wrong damned near half the time.

But that doesn't matter, because that means you feel justified calling someone racist and you'll only be getting it wrong half the time, eh?

Now you're just making things up...

I don't need stills on twatter. I watched the video. Evra nailed his hand to his waistband. A hand was never offered more insincerely. He clearly wanted Suarez to thrust his hand out and have to pull his hand out for a shake. Suarez probably thought, "OK, **** you too!" and didn't bother making any real effort. Bad, the both of them, for trying to play a game of one-upmanship.

From the beginning Evra's conduct has been questionable. From his initial claim he was called "******", to being unclear just how many times the word was used (5, 7, more than 10), not to mention his attitude according to his testimony to the FA panel. Suarez is not an angel, but then again, neither is Evra a victim.

Twatter isn't exactly reliable, and we've had nothing about it since. Will anything come out? Its not evidence of conspiracy, but it does suggest that the whole story is not in the picture.

The media isn't United controlled, but United is a big seller, and access to United is dependent on keeping certain persons at Old Trafford on-side. Certain people also do a nice line in soundbites and meddling in things which are nothing to do with them, such as who Liverpool choose to employ...

Disgrace is not a fair comment, but an understandable expression of displeasure at the hypocritical stance of Sir Alex. Evra's behaviour has not been beyond reproach either. Alex has criticised Liverpool FC over Suarez, but I see no reason why he should have offered his view on the issue. He should have kept his own counsel. Alan Smith, manager of Crystal Palace at the time, was not asked to comment on whether Eric Cantona should be sacked by United. I don't remember Avram Grant being asked whether Rooney should be sacked for his swearing at a camera when playing against West Ham.

As for a schooling in football matters, damn me, you must have been watching another match - it took a Jay Spearing error to get you on your way. Not like it was 1-6, was it...

 

I'm amazed that some posters on here, not specifically aimed at you St are still questioning Evra integrity in his statement.

Another way of looking at it is, if Suarez could lie to his manager and the club in general over something so trival as I handsake then why would you believe him on a much larger issue which he knew would land him in trouble ?

 

Eric, I understand where you're coming from. Evra - from my view, I don't think he'd covered himself in glory over the entire affair or during this last episode. I don't think he's done much more than comply with the FA panel's wishes. Given that from the start off, the word ****** transmogrified into Negro, I don;t think he can remember much better than Suarez what was said, but given the apparent state he got into over the coin toss at Anfield, which was reported in the evidence, and the state he got into (apparently) over Suarez' foul challenge 5 minutes before 'that incident' I don't particularly believe either side, but I certainly would not come down one way or the other, as the panel did.

As for the handshake, as I said, watching the video of it, it looks like neither side wants to be the one to 'concede and make the first move'. In hindsight, I'm sure Suarez will have realised that he was in a no-win in that regard. If he doesn't make the shake, he'll look churlish (as happened), but equally, if he makes the first move and extends his hand, Evra has won a personal victory over him in making him 'make the first move'. As happened, Evra extended his hand late, but his eyes were on the media watching the event, not on Suarez. In my experience, when you shake hands, its rude not to look someone in the eye when shaking hands...

Could Suarez have lied to the club/manager? Yes. Could he have changed his mind since speaking to Kenny? Its certainly plausible.

But I think it was macho posturing between the two of them over who was going to 'make the first move', and if he'd have thought it through, Luis would have known it was a game he couldn't win...

 

in the end read less into things is the moral of the story.

the 8 man panel had to read a lot into a lot of things and had they handed down 4 matches this would not have gone so far.

if you read less into evra at the handshake you'll see he was there and suzrez moved on, fault is squarely at one guys corenr. the lfc statements are pretty damn clear on it.

 

This comes from someone who has someone kung foo kicked a fan in the head as his idol!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Which has what to do with my post ?

 

Nothin, but can anyone with a " Fan kicker in the head as his idol" really have the moral compass to criticise someone for .........telling lies
And does Fergie have the moral compass to criticise anyon at LFC with the multitude of s** t he has done

 

United banned Cantona for what he did before the FA even got involved.

We could have issued a strongly worded statement and then completely backed down but surely nobody would do such I thing..........

I wasn't critising Suarez for 'telling lies' I was simply pointing out that people have ignored that fact that Suarez has lied to his club ( as publisied by LFC ) whilst still going on with their conspiricies about Evra lying.

 

This

The statements from Liverpool say enough on the matter in my opinion, but Suarez has apologized and we should all move on

 

SAF and the team could also have worn Cantona T-Shirts in training and refused to acknowledge any guilt or wrongdoing on the part of Cantona. Continually releasing statements about how he was innocent.

Some teams have more class than others.

 

Like someone says , in the eyes of the club, this is the FIRST time Suarez has done something wrong.Everyone gets more than 1 chance

If Suarez goes for this, Gerrard should have gone after Southport

And if the owners decide he has to go, the owners have to go IMO too

 

I haven't used this site much since I joined but have used it more lately since the other site I was using starting becoming unbearable with sweeping generalisiations about LFC and it's fans. I don't like being judged based on nothing more than the team I support. I'm an individual and have my own opinions. I prefer to take each as I find them and would like the same back, however, it doesn't seem to happen very often.

I have noticed that you and Swarbs in particular seem fair posters - something I haven't experienced too often in rival fans.

My problem with this particular comment is that it 'presumes' Suarez lied. If he was told to shake hands and made no reply, that would seem aquiesence so it was expected that he was going to. I think he's hardly likely to say 'actually I'm not going to shake hands' - because he would have been dropped!

I'm not defending Suarez on this or on the Suarez/Evra whole debate - I think both were as bad as each other and both should have been punished.

On the Cantona story - he was treated like a celebrity by fergie and allowed to wear the club's suit without a tie and with trainers - yet fergie goes on about players wearing snoods(?).

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images...42407951366/Eric-Cantonas-infamous-ku-001.jpg

and this has got to be one of the most shocking sites in football - compared to a handshake!!

 

Sigh

Eric Cantona was the victim of racist abuse. The fan - had a lifetime ban and Eric Cantona was banned for 8 months for assault. Even his sponsor Nike - did not drop him and supported him.

There was never any evidence to support Ian Wrights claim against Schmeichel. The same thing some of you laud over Evra for not being able to produce during the incident with Chelsea ground-staff.

Ryan Giggs' personal life is not the business of Manchester United.

Luis Saurez was found guilty of racist abuse during a football game, whilst wearing a Liverpool shirt. He shirked responsibility for it and when presented with an opportunity to make amends during a Liverpool football match, he snubbed it - and sent the reputation of Liverpool crashing around the world.

Have a quick glance and see what the Dutch, Italians, Spanish, Germans and Yanks newspapers - think of your club.

The UK needs to order more supplies of straw for Liverpool supporters to clutch at.

Articles like this are pathetic - and even if there were a shred of substance in this article - you are guilty of trying to use a past event to condone a current one.

 

So French is a race now??