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Ferdinand camp - 'total lack of respect'

Discussion in 'England' started by brb, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Can you prove he's a racist? From the videos I've seen it's quite clear that they are 2 seperate incidents caught on Video, the first is him saying 'you blind ****' without anything being said prior, in the second you can't quite see what he says at the start as his speech is obscured by someones head (although you definitley see he's saying something) and then you can see him say 'you black ****'. No one except Ferdinand reacts. JT says he called the ref a blind ****, Ferdinand accused him of calling him a black **** and Terry replied 'do you think I called you a black ****'. As much as I dislike JT aftyer viewing both videos I believe his story. He's not good enough to be in the England squad though, and neither is Ferdinand.

    Oh, and Kelly WAS NOT bought in to replace Cahill, Kelly is a RB not a CB, Hodgson didn't need another CB as he had already bought in Jagielka for Barry, Kelly is the cover for the RB position which Ferdinand doesn't play in.
     
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  2. Psycho2k

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    I'm sure the Liverpool fans will point out that Kelly is naturally a central defender who has been playing at right back, just like Jones has for United.
     
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  3. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    really? from what I've seen of him he likes to go down the right and can put a good ball in the box, but it still stands that Jagielka was bought in to cover the CB DM position and Kelly the RB, which means Ferdiands complaints are baseless.
     
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  4. Psycho2k

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    As I understand it from the first squad selection Jones was originally the right back cover, so if Jagielka was called up to be the CB/DM then was there really a need for another CB playing on the right? The main thing that bugs me about this situation is the usual lack of honesty, everybody knows this decision is more than just "footballing reasons". People suggest it's because of his injury problems, yet he played 38 games for United this season and was in very good form for the most part, if injuries were a concern why take Kelly? The lad has played less than Ferdinand because of injuries, and Rio has played better than people give him credit for this season (apart from the Everton game of course), he was a major part of a pretty solid defense over the course of the season, only City conceded less goals than United which is probably why the likes of Sneijder, Van Der Vaart and Fowler have made comments about him not being selected.
     
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  5. Archers Road

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    Ffs, talk about a poisoned chalice. The tournament hasn't even started, and every football supporter in the country is telling the manager where he's gone wrong with his selections. It's Hodgson's job to pick the squad. He's done so, and even Rio Ferdinand seems to have accepted that, so there isn't anything else to be said.

    As for John Terry, he's obviously a bit of a rotter, but if he was a racist don't you think his Chelsea team mates might have exposed him by now? They all seemed happy to play with him, so for all his faults I doubt he's in the habit of calling people "black bastards".
     
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  6. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I'm struggling to see why people are still moaning about Ferdinand. Like Ledley King he is not fit enough to go as his body is not up to the demands of two games a week. As SAF said on TV “You play something like a game every four days. Rio Ferdinand couldn’t do that.” End of story really.
     
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  7. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

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    Rio Ferdinand and his agent should crawl back into their hovels. Roy Hodgson is the England manager. If people don't like that then sod off and join them otherwise quit whining. It makes me sick that in this country we never give a manager a chance and jump on his back at the littlest thing. No wonder we never win anything.

    Rio Ferdinand is an egotistical idiot who has been put in his place. He's been told all his life how great he is and because someone has finally stood up to him he throws his toys out. Well done Roy.
     
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  8. Psycho2k

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    If the national manager was going to listen to Fergie, then he also said that he didn't think he would be able to play every game (not most games, every single game) but did say he should be in the squad. He's only played 6 games less than Terry this season and yet people are trying to say his body can't handle it, strange.
     
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  9. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Lol.............finishing 6th is a much better way of judging a team. Cups can be won by the team who wasnt the best but the league doesnt lie.

    Chelseas english players offered nothing this season, nothing at all. There amazingly fortunate run to the CL final and eventual win doesnt reflect their season at all.
     
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  10. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Lol Chelsea players stand up to John Terry. They would be sacked immediately. He runs the show along with Roman. He tries to do the same thing for england as the last world cup proved.

    The guy needs dropping.
     
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  11. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Other better more intelligent countries pick players based on form while us english pick teams based on reputation and fear. To drop terry would take a strong manager with guts but of course we dont have that.

    If Rio was of any other nationality and had the season he did last season which included playing 30 PL games ( yeh, often 2 or 3 games a week.....your reasons like everyone elses fall flat on their face ) and 39 games altogether he would of been selected. Thats because unlike England, other countries care about their national team and the players representing their country.

    We dont win anything because we dont pick our best players. The last time we did we reached the semi finals of Euro 96.
     
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  12. Itchen North Matt

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    Other, better teams value international form as highly as they do club form. They also look at career form as well as seasonal form, so they end up with the best players rather than flash in the pan players that won't be in the next squad. Miroslav Klose had a poor season for his club before 2010, but still got picked for Germany because he's a class player with fantastic tournament pedigree.
     
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  13. silkship

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    "He has done fantastic this season, There was a period where I played him in three games in seven days from the end of January but apart from that it has been every seven days."

    Ferguson
     
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  14. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Last season United had the second best defence and that came without Vidic, our best defender, Evra being poor, Rafael being injured and 2 CB's playing right back as cover plus Valencia played right back. Carrick might of played CB but I dont recall it.

    The reason we were second best in terms of defence was Rio Ferdinand and Jonny Evans.

    Like I said, **** all to do with football reasons. The too many games in too little time argument is dead in the water aswell as Silkship pointed out ( intentional or not ). Fergie played him every 7 days except a period after january....well the Euros is what, 3 or 4 weeks and you play 3 in 7 just once? Pretty sure he could do a short spell at 3 in 7 as he seems to of done it last season.
     
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  15. Psycho2k

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    The season is only around 38 weeks long (give or take a week or so), Ferdinand played 38 games this season, taking into consideration the weeks he missed through injury (and according to everyone he's a walking sicknote these days who is always injured), do you really believe he only played a single game every 7+ days?
     
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  16. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Fergies talking about the period we were playing FA Cup ties and CL/europa ties. When we were knocked out there were a number of weeks we had a 5,6 or 7 day rest. Had we been in the CL/EL or FA Cup longer then he would of played in those games.
     
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  17. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

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    No, we don't win anything because:-

    We're not good enough - We've won 1 World Cup (on home soil I might add) and never come close to winning this or the European Championships since. I have never understood where this belief comes from that we should be one of the favourites. We're an average international side that has consistently bombed when facing better sides. We've played sides with our best players and still got nowhere. Our best are simply not good enough hence why we don't win anything. We heap ridiculous levels of pressure on our managers who are expected to win tournaments with poor players.
     
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  18. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Dipshit....we came close in 86, 90 and 96. Other than that weve done nothing but thats because players are either not good enough as was the case in the 70's I believe or that the players are good enough but there not selected because the managers/FA's favourites are selected.
     
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  19. Itchen North Matt

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    2002-2006, we tried to crowbar Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes into the team at once. It didn't work and might have done had we used one at a time. If anything, we put too many good players in at the expense of tactics that worked.
     
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  20. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I remember 96, Spain beat us, but had their goal disallowed unfairly, Scotland matched us and it was only luck we didn't draw (gazza's goal was scored directly after Scotland missed a penalty and their team were out of position), the only good game was the 4-1 v the Netherlands, who were the worst Dutch side over the last 50 years. I guess watching the Germany game makes everyone think we should've won it (which we should as we had home advantage all through the tournament)

    1990 we had to beat Egypt in the last game or we wouldn't qualify to the final rounds, needed a special finish from Platt against world power house, er Belgium, luckily beat 38 year old Roger Milla's Cameroon with 2 late penalties in extra time.

    1986, qualified joint 2nd in group behind, er Morocco, beat paraguay easily in the next round and got beat by Argentina, yes it was the hand of God, but without it it would still only have been a draw.

    That is not anywhere close to nearly winning at all
     
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