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The Championship is a brilliant league in regards to entertainment and excitement. Last year Norwich promoted from League 1 and promoted again straight away. This year the 2 promoted teams occupy 1st & 2nd place so a fairly level playing field, and the other promoted team gave an established (but crap)Championship team a 7-1 spanking <whistle>.

Of course this is just my opinion because I am bitter that my team (Cardiff) have blown promotion for the last 2 years running <laugh>.

Seriously though I would prefer to be in the Premiership the the Championship is one hell of a consolation.
 
Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed said:
Please bare with me folks - this is going to be fairly long-winded!

I love Norwich City Football Club with all my heart. I always want what is best for them but it has occurred to me yesterday that what is best for them is not actually what is best for us fans. Let me explain. On the evidence so far, the Premier League is an absolute disgrace of a league to be in. I don't want to watch it anymore. I want to be entertained, I want to enjoy watching a game of football for 90 minutes, not a wrestling match, complimented by diving and feigning of injury and time wasting and gamesmanship and cynical play and so on.

After every match this season I have come away feeling cheated and not remembering ANYTHING good about the matches. It is true that we have been totally and utterly robbed of points by officials in each and every match so far. This is not an excuse for our lack of a win - this is the reality! However, we do have a number of short comings which I'll get onto in a moment. On my part, I didn't feel anything could ever make me fall out of love with football. However, the Premier League might just do that.

I don't believe this league is very good. The finishing is certainly more clinical but thats about it in terms of quality from any team outside the top 6. Organisation is the key and unfortunately the rest comes down to gamesmanship and cheating. Some of the things West Brom did yesterday were alarming and made me feel sick. This is a sad state of affairs when a good footballing side with great tradition such as the Baggies have to resort to these tactics to gain results. But thats the thing isn't it. They do this because they know they HAVE TO in order to stay up.

I'm not sure I could bare to see my team have to do this to stay in this frankly horrible division. The problem we have is that the club NEED to be here. As a supporter I could happily live without it and everything it represents. I'm not torn - I'm a fan of my club and I want what is best for them, but if we went down I don't think I'd be that bothered. I wouldn't be happy because we NEED to play at the highest level but the fans, managers, players, media, referees and anything else connected to the premier league often make my blood boil and curdle.

Yesterday I was disappointed by the West Brom fans. I've had a soft spot for the Baggies since about '97 when they came to Carrow Road and taught us a lesson in attacking play with the likes of Peschisolido and Sneekes romping away with a 4-2 win. But it was their fans which stole the show that day, not the team. Amazing, amazing support from start to finish, 'Boing Boing'ing their way through the match and creating the kind of atmosphere a football ground should be filled with.

Yesterday, nothing. Absolutely nothing. Sat on their hands, no songs... if they hadn't been 1-0 up they would have had no repertoire at all! Stoke fans were better but fairly muted. Chelsea and Wigan dreadfully quiet. Now we aren't the most famed vocal bunch in the country but at least we give decent backing. It seems to me that as soon as you get in the top flight everything changes, even the fans. Its almost an arrogant air that surrounds you. I hope this doesn't happen to us if we do spend a sustained period in this league.

I don't like this league. I don't like it at all.

Anyway, now for the important stuff. The stuff which really matters. The stuff that City can affect. The stuff that hopefully means we don't have to rely on officials having visited SpecSavers the morning before. City's abilities to stay in this division. Well, we've probably not learnt anything we didn't already know or at least guess would be needed.

We know we need some pace up top, and Jackson for me has done nothing wrong and should start next week. Martin has surprised me to be fair and played pretty well but we NEED pace to give us a chance.

We know that Hoolahan also has to start - he brings us a different dimension to Crofts and Johnson, who have done nothing wrong but lack guile. Only play one of them.

We know that Tierney is outstanding at this level.

We know that De Laet is lacking concentration for 90 minutes and is therefore a liability, despite his otherwise sterling efforts. 3 mistakes this season - three goals conceded. He can't be dropped due to injuries. Sharpen up.

We know that Lambert has yet to fall upon his strongest and most potent team. Understandable to a degree as there are so many different options but he MUST settle on it soon. Personal opinion would be that we return to the diamond, play Fox and Hoolahan, and make the opponents adapt to playing us rather than us adapt to playing them.

We know that we CAN compete on the pitch with these teams. We have not been outplayed by anyone. Indeed with some luck we would have won 3 of the opening 4 games.

We know that we are not street-wise. I hate this term because basically it means we don't cheat enough. Horrible I know, but if we are going to stay in this league we are going to have to play the same games the opponents do. ANY contact in the box, GO DOWN. Let the official make the decision. I feel disgusting saying that.

We know that referees are not going to give us much. On the evidence so far they aren't actually going to give us anything! Yesterday was the poorest display of officiating I have seen since Andy D'Urso ripped up the rule back vs Charlton a decade or so ago.

Lots of things to work on, but what I KNOW is that we have the players here already to make a good fist of this league and stay up. We are going to need a change in our luck at some point though - we can't go on getting terrible decisions go against us, but equally we have to sharpen up at the back and front. There are reasons we haven't got a win that don't relate to referees. We need to add guile and pace urgently if we are to score goals. We need to be more clinical when chances present themselves. We have already won plaudits for our style of play and attitude. Now we need to earn plaudits for the way we defend and win games.

I find it alarming that some fans have already pressed the 'panic button' after four games and four pretty good performances. I can only assume these people don't know how football works. 38 games is a long season and it was always likely to take us time to get to grips with the top league. Unfortunately for me, the idea of 'getting to grips with this league' generally means 'getting to grips with opponents' rather literally.

I really hope over the coming months, the Premier League can change my opinion of it, regardless of my own clubs performance.

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So then Superman, What are your thoughts about the Premiere League after Saturday's little drama? I seem to remember in one post that you would publically condemn any Norwich player doing something to get a player sent off! also lets look at Howards webb performance considering you Norwich fans are watching them so closely. lets take the three major decisions he had to make,

1. Barnett on Klasnic - It wasn't intentional, BUT it was reckless and dangerous which by the letter of the law is a straight red card, this could have resulted in a serious injury. Wrong decision in Norwich's favour

2. Klasnic Red Card - In real time you could see why Klasnic was sent off, Yet the TV Pictures clearly show no head movement from him, and Tierney going down like he was shot. A proper decision would be Yellow Card for Klasnic for agressive actions, Yellow card for Tiernay for simulation
3. Bolton Penalty - Soft, BUT there was contact with the player, seen them given seen them not. In the context of football rules , yes it was a penalty

So in conclusion, From the lack of moans about the ref's performance its smacks of sour grapes the few moans at the ref just because you lost and but you are quite happy about wrong decisions if you win.
 
What you have highlighted there Guru only re-enforces what we have been saying all season

The referee's do not/can not/ will not (take your pick) interpret the games consistently of fairly.

That is not the teams fault and it sure as hell is not the supporters fault.
 
just seems very 2 faced from your supporters, Very quick to jump on the bandwagon if things goes against you, yet when its in your favour everything is rosy. You have created your own problems on this board, by the moaning and whining about refs, its no wonder when you get dodgy decisions in your favour every Ipswich poster has come over here. A little humility is in order from the norwich fans now i believe.
 
Guru of Ipswich said:
just seems very 2 faced from your supporters, Very quick to jump on the bandwagon if things goes against you, yet when its in your favour everything is rosy. You have created your own problems on this board, by the moaning and whining about refs, its no wonder when you get dodgy decisions in your favour every Ipswich poster has come over here. A little humility is in order from the norwich fans now i believe.
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If you read most of the posts from over the weekend I think you will see many comments about Tierney and his acting abilities along with agreement it was a penalty and indeed the challenge by Barnett was high, needless and reckless. We are no different to any other group of fans, we gripe when decisions go against us but do not gripe when they go for us. What we have done, again as many 'football' supporters do, is we acknowledge we had those decisions go our way. Owen Coyle himself admitted the Klasnic Tierney incident was worthy of a red card and did not moan about it. He has accepted it and the knock on effect for him and his team vastly outweighs the knock on effect it should have on any Ipswich fan.
 
ThaiCanary said:
If you read most of the posts from over the weekend I think you will see many comments about Tierney and his acting abilities along with agreement it was a penalty and indeed the challenge by Barnett was high, needless and reckless. We are no different to any other group of fans, we gripe when decisions go against us but do not gripe when they go for us. What we have done, again as many 'football' supporters do, is we acknowledge we had those decisions go our way. Owen Coyle himself admitted the Klasnic Tierney incident was worthy of a red card and did not moan about it. He has accepted it and the knock on effect for him and his team vastly outweighs the knock on effect it should have on any Ipswich fan.
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I think if you actually hear what OC said, he accepted the red card because he gave Tierney the oppotunity to do his little acting skills. Please can you point me in the direction of these posts that say you received 2 game changing decisions? So i take it that you accept that Barnett should have been sent off, considering that you used the word 'reckless' to describe his challenge?
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14961243.stm

Listen to all of it and not just select the bits that fit in with your agenda - It was an act of aggression and the rules says he must go! Nowhere in that interview does he say anything about the reaction by Tierney.

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Maestro said:
Having seen the incidents a few times now, I have to say that I was not impressed by Tierney's reaction.
Klasnic was wrong to do what he did, and even his own boss said that he knows the rules and what will happen if a player does that, so it would seem even the Bolton manager has no complaints about the red card.

The penalty. It was a penalty imo. No attempt to play the ball. No need to even make a challenge. I'm afraid a bit of naivety got what it deserved.

The Kung fu incident. I don't think it was malicious, but, it was very rash and extremely stupid. There was no need to go in that high. He was very lucky to stay on the pitch, I have to admit.

Ver very pleased to see us play so well resulting in the 3 points. I have no fears about our ability to stay in this league. We are slowly wising up and adapting to the PL, but we still have to watch the 'silly' mistakes.

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Guru of Ipswich said:
just seems very 2 faced from your supporters, Very quick to jump on the bandwagon if things goes against you, yet when its in your favour everything is rosy. You have created your own problems on this board, by the moaning and whining about refs, its no wonder when you get dodgy decisions in your favour every Ipswich poster has come over here. A little humility is in order from the norwich fans now i believe.
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In all fairness to the binner, what he is saying is reasonably accurate. We cant moan about how hard done by we have been with decisions and opposition players cheating and then turn a blind eye when we do it.
The fact of the matter is - we were unlucky a few of the games so far but got the rub of the green on Sat. The referees certainly dont have an agenda against us though and we have got 5 points from 5 (a pretty fair total from what our play has deserved).

Happy with the season so far and confident we will stay up. Lambert is class
 
Guru of Ipswich said:
wloh - <applause>

exactly what i am saying, unfortunately there is a certain few who will no doubt whine and moan following your next defeat.
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Back to what I said
We are no different to any other group of fans, we gripe when decisions go against us but do not gripe when they go for us.

Fans of all clubs do it and you cannot say that your fans are any different. So while for now you are having your fun ridiculing us just remember what goes round comes round and our day will come when we can repay you with full interest <ok>
 
As JWM stated on a thread that was locked by yourself, We could have whined about the peterboro game when we had 2 offside goals scored against us, one penalty that wasn't close plus a harsh sending off. Did we chastise the ref? no. we were more concerned because of our performance and short comings when the easy target would have been the ref and linesman.
 
I think OC is more pissed off with Klasnic for putting himself in the position that he could be sent off, not for the supposed action! He was aggressive, but the facts are that there was no headbutt! the TV cameras clearly show there was no head movement!


sheer stupidity from Klasnic for giving tierney the chance to show his acting skills!
 
TBH, Yes i would be disappointed with him but i also wouldn't hide away from saying how it is. There is no point bullshitting about a situation that everybody can clearly see.
 
So far maestro, its only you and (quite surprised at this) WLOH.

My main gripe is that all of you were very quick to blame the ref for your defeats, yet none are aknowledging that the ref had a hell of a lot to do with your win on saturday. This is even backed up by the fact that a thread was created about Mark Lawrenson when he stated the fact on saturday night.
 
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