There maybe should have been and quite probably would have been had the FLAG meetings continued, but they were binned as soon as the name change plans were announced. I only went to the first meeting, where Rick took notes and details of what was discussed were posted on here, but for the second meeting neither Rick nor myself were invited, so I've no idea what was discussed, as details weren't posted anywhere. The third meeting never materialised. There is an issue with getting information to people who are not online, it's a problem we've had with CTWD, but unless we can get the HDM or RH to run a story, there's little else we can do to get the word out. It would have been preferable for the club to minute the meetings and publicise them, but I'm not sure they were keen for the clubs plans to be made public and some of the stuff discussed was off the record.
It was discussed with the fans group, who chose not to bring that information back to the fans because some personally agreed with it. There's no 'maybe should' about it. It's a huge mistake that needs to be learned from, not ignored or excused, because it was the personal rather than fans agenda that brought the group to a close.
Those FLAG threads must still be there, so why not bump them and let hindsight be done properly? My recollection is (and I accept it may be imperfect) that the NOT606 FLAG reports were well received and seen as a good thing, but that the club were making matters difficult; I think it was PLT who, as OLM's partner in representation, stated the need for one or the other to attend, as the swopping of reps was going to be a problem. I don't recall specifics being reported, just the regurgitation of previously stated ideas that no one could hold a qualified view about. There was a generally held view, that some form of action, to improve match day atmosphere was needed and I think that was as far as it was allowed to go. This criticism, of those who represented this board (and others), appears to be nothing more than an Aunt Sally with the wrong faces on it. NT clearly had issues following through on his ideas and it doesn't take much to work out why. Was there this level of detail available? The only people to blame about the manner in which this swop has been imposed are the owners; some staff try and mitigate that, because that is their job. Bump the full threads so reports and comments can be reviewed.
Hull ACF, Threads drift, this one is no different, get over it. DMD As for the FLAG, if I remember at the time it did not have members, more like invited guests. The group element was from the club and they sought the opinions of different supporters at each meeting. Various plans where put forward to test supporters views. It was not ever going to have any real influence and was more a marketing exercise than anything else.
What a load of bollocks, nothing was hidden, it was reported exactly as it happened, this is what was reported after the meeting regarding the moving of away fans... 'His goal is to have two fans added to the group to give balance to the discussion. He feels that currently the police bring the risk assessment and the rest of he group are "nodding dogs". This advisory group are stopping the club having home fans in the North Stand at games. This led to discussion of the away fans situation. Nick Thompson said the ultimate goal is still to move away fans and have home fans behind both goals but the design of the concourses and positioning of the turnstiles currently prohibits this.' That was it, it was mentioned as a future aim, as it has been for ten years, there was no suggestion it was imminent and it was nothing I hadn't heard plenty of times before. http://www.not606.com/showthread.ph...-4th-May-Meeting?highlight=Fans Liaison Group
Who said it was hidden? The bollocks is the 'reps' speaking (or not speaking up) without a mandate from those they purport to represent. I asked on there if there was an opportunity to comment. It also looks like I was wrong in my optimism at who was on the group. I was also told that some reps didn't comment on the proposed stand move because they personally agreed with it. I find that high handed and beyond what a fans rep should do. It would seem they wouldn't have voiced the concerns even if they'd heard them. Spinning this compounds the problem in my view. It was clearly a mistake by the reps and that should be taken on board and learned from. As it is, the attitude is no different to that which Allam's accused of.
And what harm would it do? You move, alter, merge with alacrity, when it suits you; it's a very quiet post period so why not refresh memories or give some new readers a reference point to these conversations?
Just shut the f**k up you whining old drone. It's done, that's it, nowt to be done about it now. Give it a f**king rest FFS, you're like a 5 year old.
Ignoring your usual additional barbed, inaccurate spittle. Because the point is comments that were NOT MADE, so won't be minuted.
Pasted from OLM OP on the subject. "Today saw the first meeting of the Hull City FLAG (Fans Liason & Advisory Group) at the KC Stadium. The meeting, despite agenda, was dominated by the situation with West Yorkshire police over the Huddersfield away trip with the talk coming back to it time and again. Present were Tigers Press Officer Ash Lord and MD Nick Thompson. Andy Dalton (Amber Nectar), Chris Cooper, Chris Smith and Tony Conway (OSC), Pete Mills (WHCR), Tom Lee (Tiger Chat) and Paul Atkin (Southern Supporters). Ryan Kerr represented the younger element of the Tigers support, Rob Harmer represented the corporate element (!) and there was representation of the Senior Tigers (Sincere apologies for forgetting the name). There wasn't a lot of information revealed about the WYP situation that we didn't already know. While Nick Thompson and the club are completely unhappy with the situation, NT calling it "absolutely wrong", they do appear to feel they've done everything they could and think the only way you can change the situation is by infiltrating things like the Safety Advisory Group going forward. NT listened to a lot of views from the "floor", many of which you will have already read or heard, suggesting a complete boycott would have been the way to go, suggesting ways to protest, alternative arrangements and the like. Nick Thompson was adamant that there'd be no complete boycott. He felt it would "piss off Steve and the team", would remove freedom of choice and it would just make West Yorkshire police happy that there job was done for them. The club are officially supporting an FSF march in Huddersfield on the day of the game (press release due shortly). NT stated that the Football League have done and said nothing. He has asked for it to be put on the FL AGM agenda for June, though if promoted, we won't be able to attend. The previous back down by WYP when a travel bubble was suggested for Leeds away in 2006 was brought up. NT said this was "PR from the club" and that the club hadn't actually turned that situation around. NT could find no evidence from the clubs records and also spoke to ex-employee Phil Hough, now club secretary at Doncaster Rovers, and Phil could not recall any action from the club causing the turnabout. When asked by Chris Smith what he'd learnt from the Huddersfield situation, NT replied that he was surprised by how much football people negotiate in public. He shared the general view of Karl Turner MP to some amusement. As well as being unhappy with the way our fans are being treated by WYP, there was also frustration from Nick Thompson and the panel at the situation at home games. NT explained that the risk level at football games is set by a Safety Advisory Group. This consists of the Police, Fire Brigade, Ambulance Service and SMC. Nick himself has recently being added by making a lot of noise and has had Tony Sutton from Hull FC added. He hasn't yet attended a meeting. His goal is to have two fans added to the group to give balance to the discussion. He feels that currently the police bring the risk assessment and the rest of he group are "nodding dogs". This advisory group are stopping the club having home fans in the North Stand at games. This led to discussion of the away fans situation. Nick Thompson said the ultimate goal is still to move away fans and have home fans behind both goals but the design of the concourses and positioning of the turnstiles currently prohibits this. The club are keen to take more control of car parking attendants and stewards. The want to instill an attitude where they "treat the fans as if they were your friends". The club are introducing SLA's (service level agreements) for the car parks and stewarding and also for Tiger Travel. The last two TT contracts have gone to whoever said they'd do it cheapest without any thought of the quality of service. At the moment, NT feels there are "too many police, too many stewards". Chris Cooper, who had some interesting views on things the club could do going forward, including introducing a Supporters Liaison Officer in line with UEFA guidelines, mentioned the dislike fans have for being filmed by the police. NT is going to look into this at home games. This provoked a discussion on the younger aspect of our support, a rare agenda item. There is a big feeling that the support of 16-25 year olds is being lost. Nick Thompson was impressed by the support from the young element at Cystal Palace and wants to do something similar at Hull City. Giving the youngsters somewhere to store banners at the ground and somewhere to display them. Systems like Palace where they store large rods to wave flags or Bolton where they hang them and roll them up at the end of games where suggested. In the meantime, NT is going to ask Stewards to take a "sensible approach" to people hanging banners off advertising and seats. A (worrying) agenda item was labelled "themed stands". We never really got into discussing it but I was appeased by Nick Thompson's explanation of it. He's thinking of ways the club can make the areas of the ground more relevant to the fans who use it. In terms of ways to dress the concourses and the approach of the stewards. So NT wants stewards to turn a blind eye to standing and choice language in the East Stand but it would be strictly enforced in the South family stand. While in the West Stand, where it's more corporate, something like a coffee shop instead of/as well as kiosks may go down well. It was mentioned in brief that a new caterer has been found for next season, hopefully giving the club more input on pricing. Smoking areas outside the stands where suggested. It was also requested that the club give the Senior Tigers a room for memorabilia display to brighten up the ground tour. It was then suggested that memorabilia could brighten the dull spaces on the concourses. As time ran out, a few questions were fired in. The Season pass renewals have been sent and should arrive any day.... Away Direct is not being scrapped, it will be replaced with something else.... Forest have sold 3,486 tickets for tomorrow.... The Allams will have put in £65m to the club by the end of the season.... A private fans coach was stopped in West Yorkshire prior to the Burnley game. The coach driver called police as he felt some fans "were being rowdy". The coach was searched and no-one arrested.... NT feels the KC Stadium will be our home for the foreseeable future. Felt that under the liberal council, the stadium may well have been sold to the Allams. Thinks it will take 2 or 3 sustained years of Premier League football for the capacity to become a real issue. Allams will not pay for extensions to a stadium they don't own though.... I brought up the removed Disabled concessions. It was explained that the Allams felt it was a system that wasn't fair when compared to other local sports teams. I suggested it as an agenda item for next time as time was pressing. That was about all there was time for. NT and Ash Lord gave 2 1/2 hours of their time, as did the fans who attended and it was mutually appreciated. It was suggested that there be representatives from the disabled fan base for next time and also from the 'ulltras group. Both were accepted. Both Ash and Nick Thompson sounded determined to improve the atmosphere and the experience of visiting the stadium, for both home and away fans. I'll finish with a Did you know?.... Did you know that the club employs a fans liaison officer? Me neither." DMD you should read your posts on this thread and take a breath.
Already posted above. Already pointed out before and after that it's meaningless, as the point regards comments that were not made, and why they were not made. It's not me that needs to take a deep breath, and yes, I know we have an FLO.
You are a ****. Whiney old dullard. You have been buggered by your own supporters, oh such a crying shame. Such an injustice. Toys everywhere, waa, waa, waa. This is such a massive problem. The extent of the unrest is Dutch and Obi.... Cry cry cry. Just **** off and don't buy another pass if it bothers you that much. But FFS pack in your incessant, childish whinging, finger pointing and bitching on here. Always need someone to point your finger and direct your feverish prattle at. What do you expect OLM to have done about it exactly? What are you going to achieve by still constantly banging on about it? Spoilt brat.
Wow, so much wrong in such a short post. The most accurate part was your signature at the end. Now you know what the thread's about, there'll be no need to open it whine like a spoiled brat again will there. FWIW, I don't expect OLM to do anything. If you look, I haven't asked him to do anything. That's just one of the many bits you've missed in your desperation to have a whinge.
You did... I know your looking to blame someone for having to move seats, but those who attended the FLAG meeting really don't deserve that blame. It was the first ever FLAG meeting, the vast majority of that meeting was taken up discussing the Huddersfield match, as that was the main issue for fans at the time. Being told that the club would prefer to have home fans in the North and away fans in the corner barely registered, not only because it had been mentioned many times previously, but because it didn't seem like it was happening any time soon. Had Nick Thompson said, I'm aiming to move the away fans next season, then obviously it would have been a very different conversation, but he didn't. It's all well and good sitting here over a year down the line, whining that we should have made more of a fuss about it, but there's a thread linked where it clearly states exactly what we were told and nobody else picked up on it either, including you.
Where did I say it was hidden? EDIT, ah just seen the quote. My view was based on comments received from people there. They didn't comment or see the need for further discussion as they agreed with it. Not what I'd expect from a fans rep. It was discussed on other occasions, that's intimated in one of the old replies pasted on here. Perhaps not by you, but in your own comments to me you've said you didn't join in the discussion because you agreed with the move. It's not just the move for me, it's the lack of discussion with fans, and the defence of that from those that stood themselves up as fans reps. This whole thing could and should have been done a lot better. OLM's taken it on himself to reply, but it's possible he didn't get involved with other discussions as he personally had no interest and others were speaking to the club. I find that a failing in the process as it leaves fans out of the loop. I would have expected people to come out to assist, as has happened on other occasions. It's not 'whining' it's expressing my opinion and trying to determine how the **** up came to be. It's not about blame, all that does is kill discussion as people get defensive, it's about learning for the future. Pound to a pinch of dogshit, if so many people were not so critical, there'd be some crowing about their influence in bringing it about.
Just because he didn't post about it doesn't mean he didn't pick up on it. The Huddersfield match? That's an excuse, really? How could there possibly be any interest about the bloody Huddersfield match once moving home fans was mentioned? A small injustice such as the bubble match doesn't even compare to the huge injustice of asking home fans to move seats, what were you thinking? There is someone to blame, and it's you. You were there to represent the fans and make sure no one had to move seat. You failed on your job. You let everyone down. Shall we burn him Dutch? I've got some wood for a crucifix.
