Fabs done one.

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  1. Davies Headband

    Davies Headband Well-Known Member

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    Apparently Capellos win % was 67, which is the highest of any permanent England manager of all time.

    I'd hope the new guy will have a complete clear out of the squad, and all the failed 'golden generation' will be gone, with no one over 30 going to the Euros, there are enough good young players to compete and get experience.

    A team of :

    Hart
    Baines/ Gibbs
    Jagielka
    Cahill
    Richards
    Wilshire
    Cleverly
    Young
    Johnson
    Rooney (when back) Welbeck
    Sturridge

    looks decent enough to me!
     
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  2. PLT

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    He had one tournament and we were beaten by arguably a better side (certainly a well matched one at least) in extremely controversial circumstances. Even if they beat us convincingly without any outrageous disallowed goals I wouldn't be so convinced that meant he was a crap manager for us.

    If we got knocked out in the group stage of a tournament or failed to qualify then yes I'd consider it a failure but if we are unfairly beaten by a decent side what's the problem? By that reckoning Barmby has been an appalling manager for City because we have lost several games to much weaker teams.
     
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  3. PLT

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    There are plenty of good young players, but that doesn't mean the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry and Ferdinand are ****. I still think those last two are probably our best defenders, and Lampard continues to prove his doubters wrong. The only one I'd consider not taking from that list is Gerrard but that's only because he seems to be permanently injured and takes forever to get over every injury he gets.
     
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  4. Erik

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    My team would be -

    GK - Joe Hart
    RB - Micah Richards
    CB - Phil Jagielka
    CB - Gary Cahill
    LB - Leighton Baines (or Ashley Cole)
    CDM - Scott Parker
    CM - Jack Wilshere
    RM - Ashley Young
    LM - Adam Johnson
    CAM - Wayne Rooney
    ST - Daniel Sturidge
     
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  5. PLT

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    I think you might be pretty close with that. The 'old' players will still be involved though in my opinion.
     
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  6. Erik

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    Barmby has hardly been outstanding. He's been good. The reason he's not been outstanding is that we've lost nearly as many games as won. The reason he's been 'good' and not 'bad' is that he's at least trying to play the right way, it's his first managerial job, we've had as many 'good' results as 'bad' results and we have a far from great squad.

    We went to the World Cup as favourites, after an admittedly excellent qualifying campaign, and finished runners-up in possibly the easiest group, having failed to beat the United States (for our Premier League title winner John Terry, see their Jay DeMerit -who'd just been released by second tier Watford) and ALGERIA! As for being unfairly beaten by Germany, all I can say is - did you watch the game? They annihilated us. We were awful. Sure, Lampard should have had an equaliser allowed at 2-1, but I can say quite confidently that we would still have gone out in that round.
     
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  7. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    Nowt wrong with USA, they'll win the world cup within 20 years.
     
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  8. islandtiger

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    thought this was a thread about fabio going not about how good NB is---always the same people digress from the original post
     
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  9. Erik

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    And that's an excuse for for losing out to them 22-years-early is it?
     
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  10. Erik

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    I can always start posting pictures of dead animals or of transsexual porn. Blame ISTPLT for the Barmby digression.
     
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  11. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    People need to get over the fact that we're not very good. Theres no conspiracy, we're not unlucky - we're average. Deal with it.
     
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  12. Erik

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    Unusual way of thinking for a football fan to have.
     
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  13. Horsham_Tiger

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    My England team would be:

    GK Duke

    LB Dawson
    CB Hobbs
    CB Chester
    RB Rosenior

    RM Stewart
    CM Ashbee
    CM Marney
    LM Barmby

    CF Campbell
    CF Windass

    I'd be able to support the above England team. I wouldn't stop supporting them even if they got stuffed every game.
     
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  14. Erik

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    I'd take Hobbs out and put Turner in <ok> :)
     
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  15. King Curtis

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    This is the team I'd like us to see play in the Euros (not including Wilshere as he is injured, but he would be in the squad otherwise).

    Hart
    Richards
    Jagielka
    Jones
    Walker
    Lennon
    Parker
    Gerrard
    Walcott
    Sturridge (Rooney)
    Welbeck

    Subs/back up players - Green, Baines, Lescott, Smalling, Johnson (Glen), Cahill, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Young, Johnson (Adam), Milner, Bent, Carroll
     
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  16. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    But I'm not an England fan. I couldn't give two hoots if they win.
     
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  17. PLT

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    Nobody said NB had been outstanding, I was simply using it as a comparison which quite clearly shows how different people's standards are when it comes to managers. Under Barmby we've lost plenty of games and many to crap teams yet he is still a good manager (I agree with that) but when it's England it's a different story. People expect them to win every single game and if are beaten under very unfortunate circumstances to a well-matched side it's treat as an enormous failure. There's 32 teams at every World Cup, they can't all win it. Yes we had an easy group and then we got a bitch of a draw in the second round and an incredibly bad bit of luck in that game. You can say we would have lost anyway, but you could say that if we'd had 5 disallowed goals. If a football fan wants to moan about something they will moan and twist whatever facts there are to allow them to moan. We certainly didn't get annihilated, that was yet another media myth surrounding England that was created after the event. We should have been at 2-2 everyone knows that, but very few people will remember that their 3rd goal came from our free kick hitting the bar. If that free kick goes in and the goal was given we'd have been 3-2 up from 2-0 down. With that momentum there's a very good chance we would have won the game by a few. As it turned out, lady luck was with them and they beat us by a few. It shows how close things can be in football.

    The point is, that game did not make Capello a bad manager and overrule every other game we won under him, which was a hell of a lot more than we lost. It did however prove (as if it were needed) that when it comes to the national team, otherwise rational football fans will have some very radical views and almost always hate the team and manager.

    If we were average, then not winning major tournaments wouldn't be a problem. This is what annoys me; some people say the manager is ****, some people say the players are talented but don't care and some say they are just **** (the most daft view of all in my opinion because they are proven to perform to an amazing standard at club level)

    The one constant is that everybody has something to moan about, even though none of the moans really make sense. Everyone just wants a moan and it's all media-fuelled and nonsensical if you ask me.

    If we are ranked, somewhere between 5th and 8th in the World then we should be looking at making the quarter finals of most tournaments, whih we regularly do. Where is the failure? Not winning tournaments is simply not performing above our level, if anything we've punched at our exact weight for most recent tournaments.
     
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  18. Nick HCAFC

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    Just seen this news, could work out well, my only concern is that Redknapp will stick with the old guard (if he gets the job) for the Euros instead of getting the young players in which is what we are crying out for
     
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    -----------------Hart

    Richards--Jones----Smalling---Walker

    Walcott--Parker----Gerrard---Oxlaide

    -------Sturridge----Welbeck

    Subs/back up players - Green, Baines, Cahill, Johnson (Glen),Young, Johnson (Adam), Milner, Bent, Rooney

    Quite a young squad but why not, germany did well with one 2 years ago. I feel the midfield and formation will be hard to get right. I suppose it will all be down to form in the last few months before the euros but milner,young, a. johnson, oxlaide, walcott... are all on par in a way. I've had a good think and I'm not sure who i'd pick.

    a variant could be.


    -----------------Hart

    Richards--Jones----Smalling---Walker

    ----------------Parker------------------
    -------Gerrard--------Milner----------

    Walcott------Sturridge-------Oxlaide

    Unlike some, I'm excited, as long as we clear the dead wood, no more lampard, cole, terry, ferdinand, crouch, defoe...
    We have a lot of decent players and if we can get the right formation/chemistry then we could be a big threat.
    Parker and gerrard can provide the experience.
     
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  20. Nick HCAFC

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    Thats a good looking side Circa and we have to go down the Germany route with the young players, I think Lampard is more likely to play the Gerrard role though, I would go even further and completely leave out Gerrard and Lampard as they are proven failures at big tournaments but I can't see it happening and we do need some experience
     
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