I've just re-read the report and it does indeed propose a cap of 2 non EU players per squad for PL teams 
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Quite possibly.
I think what it is proposing may well benefit the national team but it will seriously detract from the quality of the league.
I think the restrictions on not being able to loan out non-home grown talent will hurt Chelsea more than anyone else since they buy everyone and loan them out.
For us... currently, our first squad we have:
Jones, Touré, Suarez, Coutinho, Moses (loan), Coates, Lucas
Of those- I suspect Jones, Moses, and Lucas have been here long enough to get EU citizenship. Suarez and Coutinho would be our "two non-EUs". We could live without Touré. Coates and Lucas. They don't improve us that much- and we probably could find EU equivalents easily.
It impacts us- but isn't a huge impact. Bigger impact is not being able to loan out people like Suso- they'd have to play in that new league instead.
Chelsea would hurt big time unless they could have multiple "B" teams in the league.
The other question is why should premier league clubs help the English national team? Yeah, we'll spend hundreds of millions on developing players and then you just take them away for a couple of games a year and bring them back tired or injured. Its actually crazy if you think about it.
The FA may get more out of it than we do- but I believe there is some benefit to us too.
Events like the World-Cup are gateway into becoming football fans.
Whereas I've always nominally been a Liverpool fan, as a child I hardly watched any games or paid much attention to the sport. World Cup- national competitions... yeah, that got my interest... especially when there were Liverpool players playing for England.
My attitude has changed as I've got older- I care much more about Liverpool than England now- but watching the national team made me more interested in the sport- which made me become more interested in Liverpool.
As odd as it sounds... the national team helped me become less plastic! International competitions help attract new fans- some of them may go away... but some stick around and become more interested at club level.
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Maybe I worded it wrong. You're right that all applications have to go through the FA, what I meant was there aren't any questions to be asked when all the criteria guidelines are matched or bettered. However, not meeting them doesn't mean a transfer won't happen.
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there is no way the rule would mean relegated clubs would HAVE TO sell their players. The rule would prevent them from signing more.
The non-EU player stuff is complete ****e
An EU player is just as not-English as a non-EU player FFS
You can't legally bar a EU player though. If they could- the FA would have quotas on them. They can legally bar non-EU players.
I know, so why ****ing bother?
"Non-EU foreigners don't have the same legal protection so we can discriminate against them as much as we want! Who cares if it's actually a good idea!"
Promoting English players in squads would be fine to help the England national team but how the **** does limiting a specific subset of foreign players help? In fact it might make us do even worse to have less experience and knowledge of non-European players. Imagine how much Suarez would destroy an English back 4 that didn't see him play every week...
That's all true for the present situation but you have to look for the future as well. It cuts out all of S America - just as an example - for future players and they're some of the most exciting talent.
With all due respect, this carve up, I mean arrangement, will all be very fine and dandy for the big boys like yourselves but it will have a severe impact on the lower league clubs down in the conference and league 2! I am appalled that the so called custodians of the game are even considering these changes! As usual it will be the big clubs pissing all over the smaller ones. If we want more talented English players then spend more money on proper coaches and training facilities at the grassroots level of the game!
I think the 'questions asked', once playing criteria have been met, are about the players background, willingness to learn English which is part of the permit as well, and probably stuff like criminal records etc. If the applications need to be endorsed then the FA must be looking at stuff like that or else it would just be rubber stamped on meeting criteria and it isn't. And yes you're right about appeals.
The non-EU player stuff is complete ****e
An EU player is just as not-English as a non-EU player FFS
I think it would probably be a case of 'no foreign players' but they can't say that because we're part of the EU and have right to work and freedom of movement agreements with all EU countries.
Spain already have a system like this and it seems to work very well over there. They have a limit on non-eu players, I think they are limited to three. What some here are forgetting is that if you are in the EU for a certain period of time you can become a citizen and this would no long apply to said player.
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It's tricky because B teams would no doubt be more of a benefit to those people playing as it provides them competitive fixtures against men who are playing for their lives and will be totally different to what they currently experience. Think it was Kevin Davis that said he was playing 1st team football at 16 and by time he got to 20, he had 160 appearences under his belt before he moved to a Prem team.
160 competitive appearences.. how many young English players get that many at that age?! Getting them in a B team lower down will give them that option while also learning and playing in the same style as their parent club. There'd have to be some restrictions on overseas players though or it totally defeat the whole object. Say 8 of the have to be classed as home grown and none over the age of 23?
The main problem with English football at youth level though is so much of the emphasis is on winning and not developing skills. Even a grass roots at a poor level, you see kids teams ho have the big guy up front or in defence because he has a massive physical advantage over the rest and it just a case of whack it to him. Teams are scared to pass the ball in case they concede. There should be much less competition at a young age until they get to like 12 or 13 and the pitches need to be smaller. Why have kids running around on huge pitches where they'll never learn the skill of close control and passing in a small space.
Problems go much deeper than just young English players not playing for top clubs and until the FA change some fundamental rules around youth football then we'll always have the same problem.
160 competitive appearences.. how many young English players get that many at that age?! Getting them in a B team lower down will give them that option while also learning and playing in the same style as their parent club. There'd have to be some restrictions on overseas players though or it totally defeat the whole object. Say 8 of the have to be classed as home grown and none over the age of 23?
The main problem with English football at youth level though is so much of the emphasis is on winning and not developing skills. Even a grass roots at a poor level, you see kids teams ho have the big guy up front or in defence because he has a massive physical advantage over the rest and it just a case of whack it to him. Teams are scared to pass the ball in case they concede. There should be much less competition at a young age until they get to like 12 or 13 and the pitches need to be smaller. Why have kids running around on huge pitches where they'll never learn the skill of close control and passing in a small space.
Problems go much deeper than just young English players not playing for top clubs and until the FA change some fundamental rules around youth football then we'll always have the same problem.
The B team plan has **** all to do with developing English talent and everything to do with the PL getting what they want.
There's nothing wrong with our football pyramid and unlike the leagues in Spain and Germany, it doesn't need 'padding out' with the top sides stiffs.
Non league clubs don't dream of climbing the league ladder to end up playing Stokes reserves ffs. An awful idea and I can't believe Dyke has been stupid enough to be duped by it.
There's nothing wrong with our football pyramid and unlike the leagues in Spain and Germany, it doesn't need 'padding out' with the top sides stiffs.
Non league clubs don't dream of climbing the league ladder to end up playing Stokes reserves ffs. An awful idea and I can't believe Dyke has been stupid enough to be duped by it.
