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F1 Drivers to be banned from getting radio performance help

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by fevriul, Sep 11, 2014.

  1. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Great answers. I am hoping that this doesn't knock the balance in the bias of one driver because it would once again be an embarrassment of the sport that they make such a game changer mid season.
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

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    *laughs*
     
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  3. Dalziel or no Dalziel

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    Apparently coded messages are to be banned too, so any instance of "Seb, you forgot to feed the badger" will be immediate investigated. Though actually saying "Seb, let Dan through" is legal...
     
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  4. SgtBhaji

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    Morse code... That's the only way around it. With a little device hidden in the helmet. :p
     
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  5. DHCanary

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    Can they yell things at the driver through a megaphone as they come down the main straight? The engines are quiet enough...<whistle>
     
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  6. Dalziel or no Dalziel

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    I can see someone lighting a bonfire out the back of the garage and trying to communicate via smoke signals...

    Or for anyone with an iPhone, have the drivers sneak a phone into the car and ask Siri (voice nav thing) what they should do..
     
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    Actually that's an interesting thought. The regulations don't allow data to be transmitted from the pit to the car, but presumably the telemetry data is processed somewhere on the car. If the car included a siri-like option built into the helmet, could the car respond audibly to the driver in place of an engineer?

    Vettel: "Suzie, are my brake temperatures high?"

    You could potentially even put a sensor on the car to measure the distance to the cars in front or behind, and have the data processed so the driver could ask the car where's he's gaining/losing time to his nearest rivals. All academic really as you'd only get away with it for a single race before the innovation is clamped down on.
     
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    *laughs* :D
     
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  9. TomTom94

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    Further updates:

    Tyre and brake data can be transmitted over radio until the Japanese GP - probably so that all the teams can change their steering wheels to include LCD screens, and not to disadvantage certain teams in the meanwhile.

    The FIA has also confirmed that this applies at all times during race weekends, i.e. during practice and quali too.

    Full details here: http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-full-details-of-what-is-and-isnt-allowed/

    I've seen the interesting point raised elsewhere that if the drivers are looking at the LCD screens they might not be focussed on the track. We'll see what happens in Singapore!
     
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  10. El_Bando

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  11. TomTom94

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    Not too fussed about pit boards and coded messages - might as well go the whole hog. Pissed off about the confirmation that it's going to apply to the parade laps, however. There's making it about driver skill and there's just trying to force bad stuff to happen for the sake of drama.
     
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  13. Big Ern

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    I'm very disappointed, it hasn't gone anywhere near far enough and there is so much scope for coded message it's a joke. personally I don't have any problems with unlimited radio use during the FP sessions, but once they hit Q there should be the absolute minimum allowed, stuff that fits on an old school pit board. Unless they script the permitted messages I'm pretty sure most people aged 13 and above could work out how to use the permitted messages to relay illegal ones in a less than an hour.
     
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  14. TomTom94

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    What do you mean by the "absolute minimum"? Surely even the information on a pit board could be used to transmit coded messages if you tried hard enough. I think if anything this ban is too aggressive.
     
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  15. Mrcento

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    Then Red Bull just need to buy him a pet badger, problem solved.

    Nonsense rule i think, it's all very well teams telling drivers data, but the driver still needs to go out and find the time etc, which some can't do even with that advice.

    "Marcus, you're a second slower than Bob the mechanic that has taken Kamui's seat, he's faster...well, everywhere, go find that time".
     
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  16. Smithers

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    Messages that will still be allowed:
    - Acknowledgement that a driver message has been heard.
    - A competitor&#8217;s lap time.
    - Their own lap and sector time.
    - Gaps to a competitor during a practice session or race.
    - Information about a competitor's likely race strategy.
    - Tyre choice at next pitstop.
    - Front-wing adjustment at their next pitstop.
    - The number of laps a competitor has done on a set of tyres during a race.
    - A competitor&#8217;s tyre compound.
    - Being told to increase their pace (E.g. &#8220;Push hard&#8221; or &#8220;push now&#8221;).
    - Who they are likely to be racing (E.g. &#8220;You will be racing XX&#8221;).
    - Warning of a puncture.
    - Information on yellow and blue flags.
    - Safety Car deployment.
    - Problems with a competitor&#8217;s car.
    - Team orders.
    - Laps remaining.
    - Help with finding a gap in qualifying.
    - DRS enabled and disabled notifications.
    - Infractions by team, driver or competitor (E.g. running off track, missing a chicane, time penalty).
    - Track information (E.g. Wet track, oil or debris at certain corners).
    - Damage to the car.
    - Reminders to check for white lines leaving and entering pits and weighbridge lights.
    - Weather information.
    - Test information (Eg. Set speed runs for aero-mapping).
    - When to pit.


    Messages that are banned:
    - Sector time detail of a competitor and where they are faster or slower.
    - Adjustment of powerunit settings.
    - Answering a driver&#8217;s direction question (E.g. "Am I using the right torque map?").
    - Level of fuel saving needed.
    - Any message that appears to be coded.
    - Information on tyre temperatures and pressures (from Japan onwards).
    - Balancing the SOC (state of battery charge) or adjusting it for performance.
    - Number of burn-outs required prior the race.
    - Warning of brake-wear or temperatures (from Japan onwards).
    - Learning of gears from gearbox (from Japan onwards).
    - Start maps related to clutch position, for race start and pit stops.
    - Information on clutch maps or settings (E.g. bite point).
    - Brake balance and brake-by-wire information.
    - Adjustment of gearbox settings.
    - Information on fuel flow settings (unless requested to do so by Race Control).
    - Adjustment of powerunit settings to de-rate system.
    - Selection of driver default settings (unless there is a clearly identified problem with the car).
    - Information on differential settings.
     
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  17. TomTom94

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    f** the f** off. This is ridiculous.

    Oh, and no undue influence here:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29254082
     
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  18. BrightLampShade

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    Don't understand this, the only thing this will do is make cars more unreliable.
     
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  19. Big Ern

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    good, maybe the back markers will start scoring points
     
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  20. BrightLampShade

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    Assuming they stick around, not going to be cheap if your car keeps catching fire :bandit:
     
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