Irrelevant and not the issue as safe standing is not an option legally at the moment & would not add 10k to capacity, it would increase capacity by 40% in the areas of the stadium it was introduced, so probably only 3000, the discussion was more about spending £25 million+ to extend the East Stand
might not quite be the issue in question but thats the goal we should be aiming for as part of a larger ground....we do all want a better atmosphere n higher gates dont we ?......seems theres some on here would rather we dont !
Bigger gates do not necessarily mean better atmosphere, it can have the opposite effect. Nobody is suggesting we do not want higher gates, it's how we get them & if it is more importantly financially viable. Who is going to invest the huge sums required knowing it will potentially take a decade before you see a return on the investment. How long do you keep repairing & improving an old car before it becomes more sensible to buy a brand new one ?
Not done that. all I have said is that a new stadium with higher capacity is a better long term investment than increasing the capacity at the KC but I do not see any private investor doing either, certainly not the Allams. If anyone can suggest where the money might realistically come from then fine, but without that any suggestion of expansion or a new stadium are all pie in the sky, our current owners are businessmen & the would see it as £15-£40 million (depending on your preferred choice) thrown away. I'd rather see another 15-40 million spent on a squad capable of guaranteeing (as far as possible) that we stay in the Premiership & then save some of that revenue to finance the expansion or new build
The cost per seat of a new East Stand Upper would be somewhere between £5-10m, depending if you take the lowest standard £1,000 per seat new build cost, or the maximum £2,000 per seat on modern stadiums currently being built. Those seats have the potential to raise £3m a year, with another £750k if the East mirrors the West and has 28 executive boxes. It would pay for itself in a few years, assuming the seats were sold and nobody's going to attempt to sell and extra 5,000 seats until we have another 5,000 seats available. I can't believe some of the nonsense posted on this thread, it's like we've got Hull City Councillors posting on here.
No we will never expand with the current owners & there will certainly be no more public money pumped in to any expansion plans
That's the key words though & wasn't it said that there would not be any exec boxes in an East extension as it would take the stadium too far back toward the railway line (or something like that) Whatever I would expect the higest figure due the the reinforced foundations needed due to the proximity of the railway line
This is a completely spurious argument , no club sells fills 100% of its capacity even when there's a sell out there will always be no shows for one reason or another! and given segregation requirements hitting 95% + of available capacity is effectively a sell out. You seem to have difficulty in grasping basic maths you refer to 1500 seats empty on a 24,000 gate. The capacity of the KC is 25,400 the biggest attendance was I believe for an England under 21 match where there was no need for segregation that attendance was 25,280 still less than the stated capacity. Nor have you mentioned that for a number of the games last season where the attendance fell below 24,000 the reason was the small number of away fans ...Cardiff ( 1,268) Stoke ( 1,004) Fulham ( 721) Southampton ( 1,084) Swansea ( 1,013) only 2 attendances fell below 24,000 when the away team brought more than 2,000 fans West Brom and Norwich. In other words your facts are wrong statistically . The problem we face now is a lack of vision ( yours and the people who built the KC ) at least when the KC was being planned it seemed feasible given our gates in the previous decade that 25,000 would be enough so those who made that decision could not have envisaged the transformation in our fortunes in the succeeding decade. But you have no such excuse you fall back on a hollow argument backed up by false statistics . For you to say we should not look to the past or the future shows both a lack of understanding and a complete lack of vision. I agree the club could and should do more to ensure every possible seat is filled for every game but in truth the methods you propose are restricted in any event by the fact that even under the present system we are virtually hitting the limit of our available capacity. The Allams have gone on record saying they want an increased capacity at the KC but it's true that with the impasse between them and the council that is unlikely to happen any time soon but that is not an argument for it not having to happen. On a side issue where does the figure of £ 25 million come from to pay for an expansion ? Also as with all modern stadiums such as the Eitihad ( which is basically just a bigger version of the KC ) expansion can take place without severely reducing the existing capacity and certainly would not take 10 years
Wait according to your logic we should NEVER expand simply because there is certainty in getting the money back no matter who is in charge.
The plan was always for the East stand extension to mirror the West, so it would have another 28 boxes and even if the expansion cost the maximum £10m and there were no boxes, it could still pay for itself in about three years. The train line is a red herring, the stadium isn't close enough for it to make the slightest difference.
No, we might get an owner who doesn't care about getting their money back or the stadium being owned by the council
The £25 million would be a maximum for adding 10000 seats The Ethihad was built with future expansion in mind, & while the KC was supposed to also have been built on that basis it would appear not to be the case. The 10 year figure was not for the work it was based on 60k extra ticket sales a season to repay that cost
They would have to wait that long in a best case scenario assuming we sold the extra seats which there is no evidence we would do....it's still speculation
