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remembercolinlee

remembercolinlee

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Comment One
An arsenal supporting journalist on talksport last night claimed that AVB was unlucky cos
1) we sold Bale and 2) Danny Rose has been injured this season and the two of them provided lots of attacking power and defensive cover down our left side so AVB should have been cut some slack.
now I maybe wrong but I thought Rose was at sunderland last season and our left back was someone called Ekotto...who AVB gave away to QPR on loan after Bale left...I could also be wrong but I think this suggests the journalist was talking bollocks and actually showed that AVB decisions are responsible for our defensive and attacking weaknesses down the left.

Comment Two
Brendan Rogers has said he did not join spurs and chose Liverpool cos they don't just sack managers and are therefore more stable.
Dec 2008 Liverpool managed by Rafa spurs by redknapp
Dec 2009 Liverpool managed by Rafa spurs by redknapp
Dec 2010 Liverpool managed by Roy spurs by redknapp
Dec 2011 Liverpool managed by KK spurs by redknapp
Dec 2012 Liverpool managed by Brendan spurs by AVB
Dec 2013 Liverpool managed by Brendan spurs ?

Now I maybe wrong but I make that 3 managers each (when we appoint) in 5 years...roy was given 5 months and KK was sacked after winning a trophy!

why do these people not even check the factual validity of what they are saying?
 
remembercolinlee said:
why do these people not even check the factual validity of what they are saying?
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Lazy journalists love a bullshitter, as they can potentially get a follow-up story when someone calls them on their bullshitting the next day rather than having to find new stories that are actually researched properly. Why else do you think they gave such wide coverage to Charles Saatchi's utterly irrelevant comments in the fraud trial a week or so ago?
 
Colinlee, no offence to you pal but I stopped reading once I saw Talksport!
 
remembercolinlee said:
Comment One
An arsenal supporting journalist on talksport last night claimed that AVB was unlucky cos
1) we sold Bale and 2) Danny Rose has been injured this season and the two of them provided lots of attacking power and defensive cover down our left side so AVB should have been cut some slack.
now I maybe wrong but I thought Rose was at sunderland last season and our left back was someone called Ekotto...who AVB gave away to QPR on loan after Bale left...I could also be wrong but I think this suggests the journalist was talking bollocks and actually showed that AVB decisions are responsible for our defensive and attacking weaknesses down the left.

Comment Two
Brendan Rogers has said he did not join spurs and chose Liverpool cos they don't just sack managers and are therefore more stable.
Dec 2008 Liverpool managed by Rafa spurs by redknapp
Dec 2009 Liverpool managed by Rafa spurs by redknapp
Dec 2010 Liverpool managed by Roy spurs by redknapp
Dec 2011 Liverpool managed by KK spurs by redknapp
Dec 2012 Liverpool managed by Brendan spurs by AVB
Dec 2013 Liverpool managed by Brendan spurs ?

Now I maybe wrong but I make that 3 managers each (when we appoint) in 5 years...roy was given 5 months and KK was sacked after winning a trophy!

why do these people not even check the factual validity of what they are saying?
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1. Rafa, 2. Roy, 3. KK, 4. Brenda, he has to include himself as a change if thats what he's going to use. He is the 4th manager in that period....makes his warblings even worse now.
 
Let's broaden the years you seem to have cherry-picked:

Dec 2006 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Jol
Dec 2007 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Ramos
Dec 2008 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2009 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2010 Liverpool managed by Roy, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2011 Liverpool managed by KK, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2012 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs by AVB
Dec 2013 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs ?

Now we could go further back if you want, historically our managers have tended to have longer tenures than yours. You just happened to cherry-pick stats from a period when our club was in transition, from owners who made a clear attempt to put off potential buyers by sacking Rafa and replacing him with Roy.
 
Tyrannosuarez Rex said:
Let's broaden the years you seem to have cherry-picked:

Dec 2006 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Jol
Dec 2007 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Ramos
Dec 2008 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2009 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2010 Liverpool managed by Roy, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2011 Liverpool managed by KK, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2012 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs by AVB
Dec 2013 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs ?

Now we could go further back if you want, historically our managers have tended to have longer tenures than yours. You just happened to cherry-pick stats from a period when our club was in transition, from owners who made a clear attempt to put off potential buyers by sacking Rafa and replacing him with Roy.
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When brendan took over you were in transition...so there was no certainty that he'd be given time...that was my point mate
 
Liverpool do generally give people time. We were in a period of crisis when Roy and Kenny were in charge.

Before that we'd had Rafa for 5 years or so and Houllier for a good while before him.

It was Roy as well. ****ing Roy. He was awful.
 
Tyrannosuarez Rex said:
Let's broaden the years you seem to have cherry-picked:

Dec 2006 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Jol
Dec 2007 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Ramos
Dec 2008 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2009 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2010 Liverpool managed by Roy, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2011 Liverpool managed by KK, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2012 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs by AVB
Dec 2013 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs ?

Now we could go further back if you want, historically our managers have tended to have longer tenures than yours. You just happened to cherry-pick stats from a period when our club was in transition, from owners who made a clear attempt to put off potential buyers by sacking Rafa and replacing him with Roy.
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Dec 2004 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Jol
Dec 2005 Liverpool managed by Rafa, spurs by Jol
Dec 2006 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Jol
Dec 2007 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Ramos
Dec 2008 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2009 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2010 Liverpool managed by Roy, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2011 Liverpool managed by KK, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2012 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs by AVB
Dec 2013 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs ?

in 10 years we've had 1 more manager than Liverpool...so when he took the Liverpool job and turned spurs down it was 4 each ... so I think my original point stands
 
remembercolinlee said:
Dec 2004 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Jol
Dec 2005 Liverpool managed by Rafa, spurs by Jol
Dec 2006 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Jol
Dec 2007 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Ramos
Dec 2008 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2009 Liverpool managed by Rafa, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2010 Liverpool managed by Roy, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2011 Liverpool managed by KK, Spurs by Redknapp
Dec 2012 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs by AVB
Dec 2013 Liverpool managed by Brendan, Spurs ?

in 10 years we've had 1 more manager than Liverpool...so when he took the Liverpool job and turned spurs down it was 4 each ... so I think my original point stands
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Did Santini not manage Spurs at the start of the 2004 season? Your club has had more managers in a time of relatively stable ownership.
 
Are you responding to the guy on Talksport, through here? I doubt he'll read it :p

It's a fair point about Danny Rose though. We have no idea how hard AVB was pushing for us to get another left back and it is unfortunate that the only one we had was injured and has missed well over half our games(I'm guessing). Should he have kept Benny? Considering that we know he was showing an attitude and poor discipline even when he was playing last season, it's a bit of a stretch to assume he would've been happy as back up this season. As far as I'm concerned AVB made the right choice on Ade and Benny, infact I don't think they really even left him much of a choice.

AVB does have himself to blame though, he was too slow to change things around and even though we're still trying to bed in the new players, getting humped 3 times this season, twice at home, is not something he should be overseeing. I still believe it was too early to sack him though and as it since has become clear we didn't have another manager lined up it's starting to look like a really bad call.
 
Rose missed 17 consecutive games, IIRC. Shouldn't have been used in the fixture that he got injured in, though.
 
Yid Vicious said:
Are you responding to the guy on Talksport, through here? I doubt he'll read it :p

It's a fair point about Danny Rose though. We have no idea how hard AVB was pushing for us to get another left back and it is unfortunate that the only one we had was injured and has missed well over half our games(I'm guessing). Should he have kept Benny? Considering that we know he was showing an attitude and poor discipline even when he was playing last season, it's a bit of a stretch to assume he would've been happy as back up this season. As far as I'm concerned AVB made the right choice on Ade and Benny, infact I don't think they really even left him much of a choice.

AVB does have himself to blame though, he was too slow to change things around and even though we're still trying to bed in the new players, getting humped 3 times this season, twice at home, is not something he should be overseeing. I still believe it was too early to sack him though and as it since has become clear we didn't have another manager lined up it's starting to look like a really bad call.
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It cannot be the right choice for a professional football club to sideline two very expensive players when you have no reasonable alternatives because of some discipline decision by the manager. The problem is with the manager not the players IMO.
 
Spurf said:
It cannot be the right choice for a professional football club to sideline two very expensive players when you have no reasonable alternatives because of some discipline decision by the manager. The problem is with the manager not the players IMO.
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Very expensive? Benny's value has been more than paid back. It says a lot about the players that no one else was willing to take them off our hands, just a bit of interest from Turkey and a Championship side trying to get boh on loan.
 
Yid Vicious said:
Very expensive? Benny's value has been more than paid back. It says a lot about the players that no one else was willing to take them off our hands, just a bit of interest from Turkey and a Championship side trying to get boh on loan.
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Disagree there are not too many LB of Benny's quality around and he has managed to contribute to our team for som years until AVB turned up. Plus I would still persist with Adebayor because of his potential which again is not growing on trees. This is not a correctional institute for wayward boys it's a football club trying to compete at the highest level. When we do find top quality players we need to nurture them not discipline them.
 
Spurf said:
Disagree there are not too many LB of Benny's quality around and he has managed to contribute to our team for som years until AVB turned up. Plus I would still persist with Adebayor because of his potential which again is not growing on trees. This is not a correctional institute for wayward boys it's a football club trying to compete at the highest level. When we do find top quality players we need to nurture them not discipline them.
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Agreed its the manager's job to use all the talent at his disposal but a few years back I remember posting on here that Redknapp was at fault for wasting the talents of Boateng, Dos Santos and Taarabt and got all kinds of stick. Managing a group of overpaid prima donnas is probably a harder job than most of us think
 
PowerSpurs said:
Agreed its the manager's job to use all the talent at his disposal but a few years back I remember posting on here that Redknapp was at fault for wasting the talents of Boateng, Dos Santos and Taarabt and got all kinds of stick. Managing a group of overpaid prima donnas is probably a harder job than most of us think
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That's quite different, you are talking about prospects as far as I am concerned Redknapp was making a decision based on football needs.
 
Spurf said:
Disagree there are not too many LB of Benny's quality around and he has managed to contribute to our team for som years until AVB turned up. Plus I would still persist with Adebayor because of his potential which again is not growing on trees. This is not a correctional institute for wayward boys it's a football club trying to compete at the highest level. When we do find top quality players we need to nurture them not discipline them.
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What's the point of rules if players are allowed to consistently break them with no serious consequences and what kind of message does that send to the other player in the team? Redknapp didn't tolerate players showing a lack of respect, neither did Fergie, neither does Mourinho, nor virtually any of the top managers in the World. City persisted with the troubled Balotelli and look what happened there, the players got pissed off with him and so did the manager, to the point where he picked a fight with him!
 
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