Acctually I've changed my mind Ruddy Naughton Ayala Bennett Tierney Bennett Howson Lansbury pilks Pacheco Holt That to me looks a really dangerous team. Although B Johnson or fox could sit in the midfeid just as well. Would love to tied down naughton even for another loan.
how much football has pacheco played in the last two years? very little is the answer. given a decent run of games over the season i can see the emergence of a very good player. at the moment, hardly playing, he has no chance to improve. as for lansbury, i would love him with us permanently. he adds something different, much more direct than our other midfielders.
WOW!! now that is a good team young and vibrant, bursting with attacking threat and flair. i think we'd concede quite a few though - not much protection for the back four!!
Were we to get them and keep Naughton we could see the following: Ruddy/Tierney/R Bennett/Ayala/Naughton or E Bennett Pilkington/Howson/Lansbury or Johnson/E Bennet or Surman Pacheco or Hoolahan Holt or Vaughan That my friends is a strong young side with loads of potential to improve over the next couple of seasons and a couple of old heads to guide them through. The only other addition I would lke would be a young striker and possible more CB cover but simply addidng Naughton/Angela and Dani would make our first XI pretty decent.
I've said it before, but if people seriously think we should start our "difficult second season" in the Premiership with a pair of 22 year olds as our first choice CB partnership - with another 22 year old at RB - then I'd be massively worried about how many goals we'll concede. I still just don't get what the Pacheco hero-worship is based upon myself. Like I said he did show some decent touches when we had him on loan - but nothing earth-shattering, and last night was just a friendly so I find it laughable that anyone is using that as a judge on how well he could play next year. Hucks was the best player on the pitch for heaven's sake and by his own admission he would be way, way off the pace playing first team football nowadays. Bit of a reality check needed I think before we build up expectations for this lad if we do sign him
I think the fact that Pacheco got better and better when he was with us is one of the reasons I think he has massive potential, and regarding the no goals in Spain I have no idea how he played? I know he played a handful of games but that could be because he didn't fit into system or anything. Difficult to judge him on that because personally I know nothing about Rayo Vallecano but they had a decent season because they managed to avoid relegation. Whenever I have seen him play he has been a pleasure to watch and has fantastic movement as well as a first class attitude.
I think you might just be right I just find it a rather odd and massively inconsistent that despite him not really ever having done anything of note in his career yet people are prepared to bend over backwards for him, banging on about all this potential and even making excuses for him as to why he's not set the world alight yet blah blah blah in light of the amount of **** our ten-goal striker from our first season back in the Premiership had to put up with last year. I wonder if people would be as excited and convinced that he's going to be brilliant if he was on loan from someone like Bolton rather than Liverpool. This all reminds me of when we had Lupoli on load from Arsenal. People went on and on about how brilliant he was going to be based on absolutely nothing and looked what happened to him
Pacheco had a lot more successful loan spell with us then Lupoli, Pacheco didn't do much wrong and he did play brilliant at times. I watched when we beat Scun*horpe 6-0 and his movement was brilliant. I just think based on his Norwich performances he is an exciting player. To be honest I have doubted Morison and stand by it, I think he has had very mixed games but appreciate his goals and realise that his goals probably kept us up. I just think there are areas in his game which need improving, if he had no goals this season he would be getting stick of everyone because he has had bad games where his first touch is bad. All the same he has scored some cracking strikes, I just think his inconsistentcy frustrates me. BUT I've never booed him at stadium to confirm, always supported him at the ground.
munky, as you know, i was certainly never one of the morison doubters - i have been relentless in my backing of him, but i also feel that pacheco is an excellent little player, so i'm not too sure which camp i fit in! as with any transfer there is an element of 'gamble' about it but with the little spaniard that risk is lessened because we all know that he fits in well with the group. we've all seen the glimpses of talent from the handful of matches we've seen but though i agree its not a great deal to go on, i'm sure you too have seen his potential - the way he glides around the pitch, always demands the ball, his touch, his passing, his flair... the liverpool fans minds have boggled as to why he never got much game time with them - this might mean there is an issue, but as far as i'm concerned the issue is that he hasn't played enough to get up a head of steam. he tore teams apart at under 21 level for spain and his career just seems to have stuttered somewhat. this is exactly the sort of player lambert should be after, trying to reinvigorate an undoubted talent
Having seen him when he was on loan I feel he is a great little player. Great potential, and not so bad at the moment! He is also a Lambert player in that he has an excellent attitude, he would fit into the squad brilliantly!
Thanks mate, this post sums up exactly what I'm talking about. You say Pacheco is "exciting" and "brilliant" (x2) based on a handful of games when as a club we were absolutely flying, confidence was through the roof, we were beating anyone in our way and charging our way into the Premiership and even more to the point you reference one game in particular at home against the mighty Scunthorpe who were already relegated - yet you mention nothing negative about him at all. Like the fact he is a striker who has scored one goal in two years, that's a statistic that kind of jumps off the page to me. Morison however who actually did score ten goals in the toughest league in the world and against far better defences than Scunthorpe earns only the faintest of praise overshadowed in criticism. You say his goals only "probably" kept us up, he is inconsistent, has a bad touch and needs improvement but the most ridiculous thing I've read on here all week is when you say "if he had scored no goals he would be getting stick from everyone". What a totally bizarre thing to say Like saying it Ruddy had made loads of mistakes he wouldn't be in the England squad. Ah well, that's the good old fickle nature of blinkered football fans for you!
Munky I fully agree with you about Morrison he's a good striker with an excellent natural finish. Pacheco is more of a Wes than a morrison. Composed and clearly has raw talent. He's also a player that lambo has seen play day after day for a couple of months we know lambo has an eye for talent, if we do buy him it will be because lambert thinks he's good enough. Let's face it when was the last time he was wrong.
totally see what you're saying munky about morison but think you're missing the point about pacheco completely and being rather harsh. they are different types of players for starters and pacheco is the kind who gets you off your seat as he jinks past a defender - hence why people like him more. most people prefer flair players - thats nothing new. people like seeing someone who is exciting to watch... pacheco is one of those players
Reason I mentioned Scun*horpe match was because that was the one game I seen towards end of that season at the stadium. Watched most the other games on streams, highlights etc. I think half the game is played what you do off the ball and you see movement a lot more at the stadium imo because camera often restricts. Just to clear that up. You say about his goal record but he hasn't really had a full run in a team. He played 8-10 games with us wasn't it? and he got 2 goals. Baring in mind I consider Pacheco a deep lying forward/ trequartista and probably shouldn't be judged on goals as he spends most of his time outside the box. Like he did last night, like he did against Coventry last year, like he did S****horpe. I think judging a young player who plays that sort of role on goals is difficult and harsh. I probably didn't explain it too well. Morison contributed massively to keep us up no doubt about it but what I mean is if you take the goals out of it or he suffers a drought I think he is a frustrating player, the amount of times I've seen a decent ball played into him which he has lost due to poor first touch or sometimes not even bothered running for. His goals have been key and I am thankful he will be here next year but when he went through that goalscoring drought he wasn't much use to the team. I just think other than his goals he doesn't offer much and that's whats frustrating about him because if he had the touch, the movement, the intelligence than I think he would be a fantastic player. I don't think it's being fickle baring in mind loads of people changed there opinion on him after Arsenal match. Hope I've made the most ridiculous thing you've read a bit less ridiculous because my concern is without goals he does not offer much at all, sometimes even when he scores I've been frustrated with him i.e Villa at Villa Park I think without Morison we would have got relegated he got us some big points by he is frustrating who I think
I'm not being harsh on Pacheco at all, certainly no harsher than you lot are all being ridiculously over the top about him! I said he looked good in those few games he played for us and haven't put him down at all, I'm just saying I find it bizarre that people are so convinced that he's going to be brilliant - or actually is brilliant - based on so very, very little. And as for you saying Liverpool fans' minds boggle that he doesn't play more for them - where have you read that??
not just read it, heard it from just about every one of their fans i've mentioned him to! they all rate him highly and have never figured out why he only had a handful of games as a sub. also, i don't think anyone here has suggested he is brilliant or the finished article - he needs time to progress at a club where he gets more games. the players all loved him here and they raved about his talent in training. the fans are all onside - i struggle to see why you feel everyone is miles off the mark about him to be honest. he'll cost a small fee, wouldn't break the bank yet we know we'd get a capable addition to our squad. what's not to want about that????
I tend to agree with Sid on the Pacheco situation, he was OK last night, but Lansbury was brilliant. I would take Henri any day, Pacheco not to sure! Shout out for Nelson last night he looked as if he'd never been away. ILD OTBC
I wouldn't judge players based on last night as it was only an end of season testimonial. Have to agree that it was great to see the Admiral in a Norwich shirt again last night. He was overlooked rather I feel given the return of Huckerby, Lansbury and Pacheco.
