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Evertons gamesmanship (cheating)

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Bumblebore, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. Cheik the room

    Cheik the room Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he should have. But congrats to him for his honesty, very few pros these days would be the same <ok>

    <laugh>

    Fair enough mate <ok>

    You're entitled to your opinion, I think Fellaini is robust and a lot of what he does is on the limit, but not quite fouling. All opinion though.

    I didn't like that but there isn't (I believe) anything in the rules that would allow the ref to book him for such an offence.
     
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  2. Nads

    Nads Well-Known Member

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    What about the rules for a) time wasting and b) simulation.

    Mandatory yellows, both applicable.
     
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  3. Black Cat Kiwi

    Black Cat Kiwi Well-Known Member

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    You could try Law 12 - Fouls & Misconduct for a start.

    A yellow card for "Unsporting behaviour" which is given at the discretion of the Referee or "persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game".

    I've used both on a number of occasions & so long as it’s “Incident clear and unambiguous” then any appeal to a Disciplinary Committee will not be upheld.
     
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  4. shogs

    shogs Well-Known Member

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    Neville elbow on McClean?

    someone show me this. It was shoulder to shoulder.

    The only part of this thread I agree with is Jelavic feigning injury.
     
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  5. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    So you don't agree that Everton were by far the better side then? Because that is what everyone on the thread is saying here...
    PS..If you really do think that Fellaini's behaviour didn't warrent a red card with at least five blatent bookable offences, then I'm afraid you must be blinded by your blue specs...
     
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  6. concrete tony

    concrete tony Well-Known Member

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    More like shoulder to face! Bendtner took an elbow to the face too, baring in mind he has to wear a face mask. However like all above I was very impressed with Everton as a team, they were too good for us. Just think they got away with an awful lot, that carter mile would have been sent off for.
     
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  7. Cheik the room

    Cheik the room Well-Known Member

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    But when a player goes down, it's quite hard for a referee to just say "I predict that he is faking it" and dish out a yellow. If the player really was hurt he would look like a mug.
     
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  8. Black Cat Kiwi

    Black Cat Kiwi Well-Known Member

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    You need to be clear and unambiguous thus “persistent infringement " will stand should it be challenged at the Disciplinary Committee in the week after the match. All Referees are graded by a convenor & should they be found to be "outside the average" they'll be stood down and required to do further training. This in code means transferring to a lower grade or running the line next week in the same grade!! Maybe not so common at EPL level but it does happen so you’ll just have to trust me on that one.
    Another “excuse” I’ve seen given is illness for cases of the referee being high profile <whistle>
     
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  9. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    Agree with this - however when a player goes down and the ball gets put out of play they should ALWAYS be made to leave the field regardless of the trainer coming on - if a players goes down screaming that he's injured, the attacking team stop going forward, put the ball out for a throw and he gets up and runs off - this should (IMO) be a yellow card and be sent from the field until the ref allows him back on - it would certainly stop people like Jelavic doing that
     
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  10. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Ref was fantastic and it was a great advertisement for letting the game flow. Each to their own though. It was nice to see a football game where both sides were actually allowed to tackle each other. Certainly Jelavic seemed quite fragile, but every team including Sunderland have players like that. I've seen a few comments on Fellani from Sunderland fans. I just can't see all this pushing malarkey. For sure he is physical and does get booked for persistent fouling a fair bit, but he was too busy running the game the other night to have partaken in as many offences as some suggest.
     
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  11. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    Blinded by your black and white specs me thinks...
     
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  12. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    Fellaini attempted to stop James McClean running at the last line of Everton defenders - he failed as McClean was too strong but he tried his hardest - this in itself is a yellow card - he also committed 3 fouls similar than Cattermoles Yellow and got nothing (Not arguing that Catts deserved a yellow - took one for the team but Fellaini - whilst he ran midfield, after being booked, committed 5 or 6 more fouls and 3 of them were as bad as Catts yellow) but he got nothing
     
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  13. Pardiola

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    Didnt watch all the game but about Fellaini's multiple bookable offences, when did he get his yellow? Because if he didnt do any after the yellow then he didnt deserve a red. Loads of players play that way until they get a yellow and they stop commiting the same fouls. As i said, didnt watch it all but unless he did any after the yellow then he didnt deserve a red.
     
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  14. Pardiola

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    Just seen this! Ignore my last comment then if he did them on a yellow!
     
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  15. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    This has got to be one of the daftest posts I have ever read...Surely it doesn't matter when the yellow comes doeas it?...If he had been booked very early in the game which he most definitely deserved, then he would have had to either change his game plan of kicking and pushing everything that moved in a red and white shirt, or face an early bath...
     
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  16. ...And Out Come the Wolve

    ...And Out Come the Wolve New Member

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    Pretty pointless comment. As you said you didn't see the game but have reservations of Fallainis that he deserved a red. Vice versa I'm afriad, what with you not seeing it all matey.
     
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  17. ...And Out Come the Wolve

    ...And Out Come the Wolve New Member

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    Likewise my comment.

    What a fool you have made me look Pardiola! <grr>
     
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  18. Pardiola

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    Well that was my point, until a ref gave a yellow he will keep trying it. So if ref had given a yellow early on, he would have stopped it so saying he should have been sent off cant be justified as you dont know how he would act afterwards. Yes it would have stopped him playing that way, just saying you cant say he should have been sent off if ref hadnt booked him in first place.
     
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  19. Pardiola

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    Haha, well its just when people say that someone should have been sent off for loads of fouls, but if they havent received a yellow then they will keep doing it. Heard people say it so often that players should have been sent off but you know as soon as they get a yellow they would stop doing it as much so 9 times out of 10 they wont get sent off afterwards.
     
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  20. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Not at all just a difference of opinion. Physical lad but I still believe the game should be a contact sport rather than the current refereeing by certain officials which seem to be driving it towards non contact. Your lot said the same of Tiote. Reality is these players do push the limits of physical contact, but they are within them. Lots of niggly tackles to upset the rhythm of the opposition, that's their job. Its something that Cattermole could do with learning the art of instead of poleaxeing everything in sight.

    Lets face it too some mackems, quite understandably, just have the hump because their side bottled it again. O'Neill looked a cross between being close to tears, shaking with anger and just shellshocked in his news conference. If it had been the manager of any other team I'd have felt sorry for him.
     
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