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Everton or Arsenal for 4th place?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by theresonly1gerrard, Mar 26, 2014.

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Who do you prefer to finish 4th?

Poll closed Apr 25, 2014.
  1. Everton

    17 vote(s)
    89.5%
  2. Arsenal

    2 vote(s)
    10.5%
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  1. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    If you win the cup will Coward Webb have made enough appearances for a medal and will he be allowed to lift it for you?
     
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  2. Arsenal87

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    Still complaining about the ref? HAHA, ok if that makes you feel better. Funny how you forget the decisions that went in your favour, like Gerrard staying on the pitch when it was the most obvious second yellow card. And even the first penalty was the softest penalty in the world, Suarez got touched and decided to fall over as usual, when the contact wasn't the type to make a player fall over.

    And obviously you know as well, no refereeing decisions have ever went against other teams in your favour, no no, off course not.
     
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  3. astro

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    Just saying your best chance at a trophy is 9 years needed a massively wrong decision in your favour from the statistically-proven biggest decision-bottler in football. So it would be papering over the cracks to win it. Best case scenario for me is you lose the cup and keep Wenger. This is just for the comedy value though and I'd rather see you win something ahead of Chelsea or Man Utd.
     
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  4. Arsenal87

    Arsenal87 Well-Known Member

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    First off, even if you got the penalty 1) no guarantee you would score 2) it would only become 2-2, not you winning 3) your player should have been sent off thus making it 11 VS 10 at 2-2, funny though you conveniently ignore all of this and pretend you were robbed, get the f**k out of here. Even you know you're just bitterly grasping at straws.

    Anyways my friend, I'm positive if we do win the Fa Cup, only you will be sitting out there moaning about Howard Webb, nobody else is going to give a **** about that.
     
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  5. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Your last sentence shows the change that has occurred. Up to this season you would have assumed that everybody recognised the might and quality of Arsenal. Now you are issuing warnings about us underestimating you. It may surprise you that most of us have never actually done that. But you too cannot assume that even with Ramsey-Ozil-Wilshere -Walcott fit you are significantly better than the present Everton side because you are not. What they lack in terms of big-name reputation they make up for with team spirit plus no small degree of skill. So I'd turn that sentence around - don't Arsenal underestimate Everton.

    The problem for most Redmen is that we generally perceive that you continually fail to maximise the opportunity that you have had in Europe. It is as though merely qualifying for CL is enough for you as a club and the rest is all about making money. When you consider that you have reached 1 final you have to accept that we do have some grounds upon which to hold that view.

    As for our present position then I would remind you that we will be 5 points and over 20 goals ahead of you with a rapidly decreasing number of games to go. So it's comforting to know that you are now riding shotgun for us as others have to come past you before they can even challenge us.
     
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  6. The wording "annual implosion" is just terminology. Its in reference to you guys having a bad patch around February time and looking at you last six to eight games, even you can't say you've not imploded:

    1. Liverpool (h) FA
    2. Bayern Munich (h) CL
    3. Sunderland (h) PL
    4. Stoke (a) PL
    5. Bayern Munich (a) CL
    6. Tottenham (a) PL
    7. Chelsea (a) PL
    8. Swansea (h) PL
    9. Man City (h) PL
    10. Everton (a) PL
     
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  7. BCR

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    Wow back to back games with City and Everton, some big points there!!!
     
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  8. Arsenal87

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    And during that period we've seen ourselves off to Wembeeeeely for the Fa Cup semis, come end season, we can be top 4, and an Fa Cup, not bad, not bad at all, even you said you'd take that over 3rd, which let's face it, was our most realistic chance all season, everyone had us pinned for 3rd, and nothing much more, well I say 4th and a cup is better than that.
     
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  9. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    So you beat Udinese in 2012 for the qualifiers in the 2012/2013 season then? I might be going crazy but wasn't 2012/13 last season or have I hibernated and missed a year somewhere? If you played them in the qualies for 11/12 then surely that was in 2011. (I've just looked it up and you played them in 2011 <ok>)

    At no point have I suggested you're ****e or a bad team. You might have read that into what I was saying in which case either I haven't made myself clear or you are reading my posts in the wrong way. As I said this is just my opinion from the outside but my issue is that you don't seem either able or willing to push on from just being top four. You put yourselves in a really good position early in the season and yet have failed to push on for a tilt at the title (again).

    As for the players you mention you seem to have neglected the part where I posted "I accept your injury list has hampered you" and where I wrote of Everton "they might not have the same skill and experience you have". I wouldn't argue that losing Suarez, Sturridge or Gerrard would weaken us however you forget we had no Suarez at the start of the season, Coutinho has been in and out, Sturridge has only started twenty games out of 30 and our back four has seen more chopping than a vasectomy clinic.

    Rather than anyone underestimating Arsenal I'd suggest the issue is that Arsenal have underestimated others.
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Win is crucial today. Need to extend the gap and really cement 3rd position.
     
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  11. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Wenger is no longer certain where Arsenal is going to finish at the end of the season, he's afraid of signing a contract extension.<ok>
     
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  12. Livtor

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    Everton.

    Arsenal don't deserve another chance at CL. They've squandered all their shots. And they'd be greedy to ask for another, just like a drunk hogging his spot at the table asking for a last throw of the dice.

    At least Everton will 'float onto the CL grounds like a cocker spaniel chasing a piece of silver in the wind', brimming with youthful arrogance and glowing with european innocence. <laugh>
     
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  13. Arsenal87

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    2012 season*.

    You had no Suarez, but you had everybody else, we have 4 out, 3 of whom are key players missing! All at the same time, 2 of whom have been out for nearly 3 months (come start April Walcott is out 3 months). Walcott was our best player last season= missing, Ramsey our best player this season= missing, that's a big big loss, you take Suarez and Gerrard out for 3 months, and you honestly think you're 3rd with a shout at the title?
     
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  14. BCR

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    Well, we didn't skip a beat in the beginning without Suarez ( for a month or so) and we lost Gerrard through the Christmas period for about a month and I think lost Studge for about a month too. Not like we have had a fully fit team this whole year.

    One area where you have not been too bad with injuries in the defense and on the whole your backline has been much better, on our end, we cannot keep a CB or LB healthy it seems and it has been chopped and changed, why we keep conceeding as well, some easy goals too.
     
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  15. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    Apology accepted :grin:

    No I'm not pretending we would have been in the same position am I? Read posts in full and you'll get a better understanding of what's being said <ok>

    What I will say is that if we get top four for the next 17 years or whatever it is I like to think we'll have built a squad that can cope with 3 or 4 injuries at once by the end of it....as Arsenal should have done by now.
     
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  16. Arsenal87

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    Most teams no matter how good their squad is, will struggle with 4 key players out. Take Yaya Toure and Fernandino out of City, and that's just 2, they will struggle and be nowhere near the force they are. Take out SAS and where will Liverpool be without all their goals, seriously? Right there beside United.

    Take Messi out of Barca, just ONE player, and look how they struggle. Take Ronald-Benzema and 2 other key players from Madrid, and even them, would struggle.

    So we're not talking about any players being out, we're talking about the key main players vital to the squad. Back to SAS, there's no way in hellllllll You'd be able to cope with those 2 out, and it's just 2 out of a squad of 25.
     
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  17. I did and its true, you still had your annual implosion though :p
     
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  18. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    No one is pretending that's not true but we're talking Walcott and Ramsey here not Yaya or Messi <laugh> You should have a squad that can cope without those two surely

    Thought the Ox was supposed to better than Walcott anyway and you did have a chance in Jan to bring in a replacement for Ramsey but didn't sign anyone at all. I like to think if we'd been lacking Suarez and Sturridge in Jan we'd have had the good sense to go sign another player <ok>
     
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  19. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    And we're talking about having pretty much an entire defence out - but is this not significant?

    A system which heavily relies on attacking full backs and we had Johnson and Enrique out for large parts of the season. We've had a make shift CB pairing of Skrtel/Agger/Sakho/Kolo.

    And Arsenal fans really need to be asking questions on your medical staff. So many injuries, every season - are the players physically weak or are your training methods all wrong?
     
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  20. BCR

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    This. We have been lucky in attack that not many were out ( luckily all at different times between Coutinho, Suarez, Studge) but we have had to chop and change the backline a lot through injury and even the holding mid ( Gerrard and Lucas) so that back 5 if you will has always been changing. Very hard to cope with.
     
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