Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

But the grey voters can be bothered to get off their arses and get to the polling booths.

 

Appropriate though.

 

They will vote, they always vote

 

.... MRSA kills more people than your brilliant surgeons will ever save ... food for thought ....

 

Illegal bacteria now, coming here and killing our patients

 

Types of EU-wide rules There are two types of EU-wide rules:

Regulations and decisions: These are legislative acts of the EU which are immediately applicable as law in all EU countries. There is no need for a change in national law.

Directives: Each EU country must incorporate directives into its national law by a certain deadline. While directives are binding as to the results to be achieved, individual countries can choose the form and methods.

Most EU-wide immigration rules come from directives.

Exceptions to EU-wide rules

EU-wide immigration rules generally apply in 24 out of the EU’s 27 countries. The following exceptions apply:

Denmark does not apply EU-wide rules which relate to immigration, visa and asylum policies.

Ireland and the United Kingdom choose, on a case-by-case basis, whether or not to adopt EU rules on immigration, visa and asylum policies.

National Immigration Rules Each EU country alone decides:

• The total number of migrants that can be admitted to the country to look for work;
• All final decisions on migrant applications;
• Rules on long-term visas – stays for periods longer than three months; and
• Conditions to obtain residence and work permits when no EU-wide rules have been adopted.

 

That is interesting, so why do ALL politicians (both IN and OUT)say, any EU persons can come live here then?

 

So any actual problems caused by the volume of immigration is due to the UK govt of the day and not the EU ??
Which begs the question why the EU haven't been shouting this loud and persistent over the years.

 

They can but there are rules and these rules can be changed, some are good some bad but we don't need to be out of the EU to change them and coming out of the EU doesn't man that we close the border and it all stops.

There are also rules for non EU workers that are really harsh and need reviewing, it's this kind of rule that Brexit people seem to want but is it reasonable to kick out workers who earn less than £35,000 a year? That imo is a skilled worker who has value if they are near that bracket.

No doubt there needs to be more control we need to fight for that but just coming out of the EU isn't going to solve the problem it may even make it more difficult.

 

A bit of both from what I can see, UK govt have been slow to implement the rules they wanted and as always have reacted once immigartion became a problem.

 

Brexit people also bang on about Norway but Norway had to agree to allow freedom of movement for EU members to get access to the single market. I believe they insisted on some rules but again you can fight for rules to be put in place while in the EU, it's not easy but it can be done and if we leave the EU may well insist on freedom of movement as part of any trade package.

 

So any UK govt can arbitrarily set quotas and rules for the types of any economic immigrant that
may wish to come to the UK, EU or not, and there is nothing the EU can do about it ??

 

Any Romanian, in fact.,,,,

 

EU immigrants are not the problem for the UK. Is those from outside of the EU, most of them illegal...
Leaving the EU won't stop that. If anything it'll make it worse...

 

I'm no expert here just going on what I've read, there is red tape and any rules we want have to be passed through the EU but each country can aplpy it's own rules on immigation within reason.

 

Friends, Romanians, Countrymen, lend me your ears, for I am a ****ed up rabbit wi no ears.

 

Certainly from outside of the EU. That's where an Australian style system could be imposed. Although I suspect something of that nature may already be in place.

 

CURRENT RULES STATE...

Rules on free movement
EU citizens have a right to stay in the UK, or any other Member State that is not their own, for up to three months with a valid passport or identity card. But to stay for longer, they need to be:
Πin employment; or
 continue to seek employment and have a genuine chance of being engaged; or
Ž to be able to show that they have sufficient resources not to be a burden on public funds and sickness insurance.

This means they must be working, studying or self-sufficient.

The rules are abused by some, they always are.

 

If within any govt year, a quota value for EU economic migrants can be dynamically set by the UK govt,
then that seems to be problem solved.

 

There is and you must be earning £35,000 which seems very high, we could lose some valuable people with such a high cap in place.