Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Very true!....-

 

He'll have already invested elsewhere. You can bet he's already hedged against the UK being stupid enough to vote to leave!...

 

Just to piss on @Mr propaganda bonfire...

And maybe sway someone's mind leading to Thursday. I'll re-post this in case someone missed it earlier in the thread

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Alright, you filthy animals. I don’t normally do this, because I believe that everyone should have the right to vote how they want at elections, but:

a) this ain‘t an election, it’s a referendum so go **** yourself

and

b) I honestly believe that the stakes are too high for me not to get involved here. If I can influence even one person with this post, then I’ll feel like I’ve done something important.

So, I’ll put my cards on the table: I believe, very very strongly, that we need to stay in the EU. I never thought I’d find myself agreeing with David ‘PigFellatio’ Cameron, but in this unfortunate case I am, and here’s why:

We stand to gain SO MUCH from staying in the EU. “How much”, you’re (probably not) asking? Well, I made a convenient list for your perusal, WITH sources, so you can’t be a twat and say ‘you’re making that up!’ and froth at the mouth like a rabid ****.

I know people on the internet like listicles with clickbait titles, so here are “14 Reasons Why We Shouldn’t Leave The EU That Everyone Should Know! You Won’t Believe #8!”:

1) The EU provides easy access to 1/3 of the world’s markets by value (in other words, the EU’s combined market value is 1/3 of the entire world’s, and we can tap into it whenever the **** we want). [1] It also gives UK businesses preferential market access to over 50 countries OUTSIDE the EU, including some of the fastest-growing economies in the world like South Korea and South Africa. [2]
2) The EU gives us better product safety. You know, so your toddler doesn’t impale him/herself on a ****tily designed toy, or swallow a load of poisonous plastic. [3]
3) The EU gives structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline (hello, Cornwall). [4]
4) The EU gave us lead free petrol. [5]
5) The EU gives us cheaper mobile charges. [6] It also gives us cheaper air travel. [7] **** yeah, cheap things!
6) The EU gives us cleaner beaches, rivers and air (hello again, Cornwall). [8]
7) The EU gives us improved consumer protection and food labelling, so you actually know what it’s in your Chicken McNuggets (hint: it’s chicken. It wasn’t always chicken, though). [9]
8) The EU has helped break up monopolies. [10] If you don’t know why monopolies are a Very Bad Thing, try playing the popular board game ‘Monopoly’ and see how many friends you have left when you win.
9) The EU gives us cross-border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling, and terrorism. [11]
10) Being a member of the EU means no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market, as well as the freedom to travel, live and work across Europe. [12] This one is particularly important for me as someone who likes to live, work and travel abroad. Do you have ANY IDEA how ****ing great it is to be able to travel and work visa-free?! Having to a get a visa for every single country you enter is a nightmare, believe me. If you’ve ever tried to travel around Asia, Africa or South America, you’ll understand what I’m saying.
11) The EU creates and helps uphold all kinds of awesome human rights, such as equal pay legislation, holiday entitlement, and the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime. [13] I’d also like to point out that it’s some of these same human rights that David ‘PorkTwatter’ Cameron tried to erode back in 2014, with the EU playing a major role in stopping him. [14]
12) The EU creates and upholds all kinds of great animal welfare legislation; it has the strongest wildlife protection laws in the world and contributes to improved animal welfare in food production. [15]
13) The EU funds incredible scientific research and industrial collaboration(including, most recently, a project that may be the catalyst for a cure for breast cancer being found in the next few years, I **** you not). [16]
14) Finally, and arguably most importantly, the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after many years of bloodshed. [17] It has also assisted in the extraordinary social, political and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980. [18]



SOURCES:
[1] http://news.cbi.org.uk/…/eu-business-facts/10-facts-about-…/
[2] http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-1080_en.htm
[3] http://ec.europa.eu/…/general_product_safety_d…/index_en.htm
[4] http://ec.europa.eu/…/general_product_safety_d…/index_en.htm
[5] http://ec.europa.eu/environme…/…/project/Projects/index.cfm…
[6] https://www.theguardian.com/…/europe-abolishes-mobile-phone…
[7] http://europa.eu/…/citizens/travel/passeng…/air/index_en.htm
[8] http://www.theguardian.com/…/england-beaches-bathing-waters…
[9] http://ec.europa.eu/…/la…/labelling_legislation/index_en.htm
[10] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w…/European_Union_competition_law (I know I’m not supposed to use Wikipedia as a source for its less-than-rigorous academic standards, but **** YOU I’m not in uni anymore, I’ll do what I like).
[11] http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage…
[12] http://ec.europa.eu/…/borders-and-…/visa-policy/index_en.htm
[13] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/…/European_Convention_on_Human_R…
[14] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/David-Camerons-plan-to-scrap-t…
[15] http://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/welfare/index_en.htm
[16] http://cordis.europa.eu/project/rcn/94691_en.html
[17] The Second World War, motherfucker. Read a history book.
[18] The Cold War, motherfucker. Read a history book.

And now, let’s take a moment to address some of the arguments for leaving the EU.

Apart from the fact that I can’t find a single reputable study that suggests we’d be any better off outside of the EU (and believe me, I’ve looked; I want to research my counterarguments as thoroughly as my arguments), the most persuasive arguments I’ve found are what I’m going to term ‘the trade argument’ and ‘the immigration argument’.

The trade argument goes as follows: if we left the EU, we could negotiate a sort of ‘amicable divorce’ where we somehow retain strong trading links with the EU while not being subject to its laws. Many people point to Canada as a good example of this model, which recently negotiated a CETA (Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement- do I have to google EVERYTHING for you?) with the EU.

I have two retorts to this argument.

My first retort: Canada was never a part of the EU in the first place.

To return to the divorce analogy outlined above- whereby the EU and the U.K. are a sort of ‘married couple’ and trade is their kids- the U.K. seeking a CETA after leaving the EU would be like a nasty, messy divorce where one parent uses the kids as a weapon against the other, threatening to take them away whenever their demands aren’t met. Canada’s CETA, meanwhile, is like a married couple approaching someone else to have a threesome at a swinger’s party, which sounds a lot more fun and exciting, I’m sure you’ll agree.

My second retort to the above argument is simple: why even take the risk?

If we stay in the EU, our trade with them will continue to be prosperous and full of great sex while the kids are asleep (okay, I’ve taken the analogy too far now). If we leave, however, there’s a chance any trade agreement could fail catastrophically and leave our economy in a ****storm. In fact, I would argue the likes of Germany, France and other leading EU nations would not simply let us pick and choose what rules and trade agreements we adhere to, so the likelihood of us being absolutely fine, trade-wise, after leaving the EU seems overly optimistic. Plus negotiating a CETA of any kind could take years and have a completely uncertain outcome. Again, why take the risk? An additional point: arguments no. 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, and 12 above are examples of really great laws and regulations the EU has introduced. If you say you want to leave the EU so we have autonomy over our own laws, you know that you’re effectively handing control of our country over to David ‘HideTheSausageLiterally’ Cameron, don’t you? In terms of making laws that benefit all of us, I trust the EU way more than that guy.

The immigration argument tends to centre around the whole ‘visa-free work and travel’ thing, and is generally espoused by people terrified of dem immigantz stealin are jobz. Alternatively it’s espoused by people afraid of terrorists being able to come here more easily, but for that I’d refer you to point no. 9 above; we’re safer from terrorism in the EU because we can share intelligence and resources with other countries more easily. But back to the ‘stealing our jobs’ fear; while it’s true that technically speaking there could be an influx of foreigners coming to claim your particular job at any moment, just remember, we’ve been part of the EU for 43 years now and it hasn’t happened yet, despite what the mainstream media may tell you (and you DEFINITELY shouldn’t trust those guys; more on that later). Seriously, do you know ANYONE, personally, that has had their job stolen by a foreigner? Be honest now. I’d be willing to wager that you don’t, and I’ll explain why that is too: the immigrants that are coming here are not stealing YOUR jobs, specifically.

They’re either starting their own businesses (in which case they’re actually creating jobs), or they’re skilled labourers taking jobs there just aren’t enough trained British people to take (such as doctors or surgeons), or they’re unskilled labourers taking the jobs that you don’t want (like toilet cleaning or washing dishes). Incidentally, about a year ago I taught English to some Eastern European immigrants who worked in a salad-packing factory in Lichfield. One Latvian girl was actually a teacher back home, but she was making more money as a salad-packer here than she was as a teacher in Latvia(!)- the point being that unskilled immigrant workers are generally happy to work ****ty menial jobs that no British person wants, and your cushy 9-to-5 office job is not under threat. Not even a little bit- so don’t worry your xenophobic little head about it. Oh, and one last thing on this subject, to paraphrase Louis CK: maybe, if an immigrant with no contacts, no skills and no local knowledge of the language and/or culture can steal your job, maybe, just maybe, you’re **** at your job.

If you’ve made it thus far through this absolute essay of a post, congratulations! You’re nearly at the end! But before I go, I just want to hit you with one final thought.

Over 80% of UK newspapers are owned by five right-wing media billionaires (aka five massive ****stacks): Lord Rothermere (Daily Mail), Rupert Murdoch (Sun/Times), Richard Desmond (Express), and the Barclay Brothers (Telegraph). Murdoch is an Australian living in New York and Rothermere lives in France, while the Barclay Brothers live in the tax havens of Monaco and Guernsey. All of them use tax haven entities to avoid UK taxes. And guess who wants to stop billionaires using tax havens to avoid paying their taxes? That’s right, the EU. So of COURSE the British newspapers are trying to persuade you to leave the EU; it benefits their owners personally. The moral of the story is, don’t gather your views from newspapers. Do some research like I have with this post, you lazy twonknoggin.

In conclusion: we’re in a really great position right now. We’re part of the EU with all the benefits that entails, but without being tied to their notoriously unstable currency. Leaving the EU would not only be hypocritical since we spent so much time telling Scotland they shouldn’t leave the UK this time last year with all that lovely ‘better together’ rhetoric, it might also be downright stupid and harmful to our economy.

Vote to stay in the EU, you filthy animals. Because reasons. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about.

 

So when I was growing up one of my friends met my dad for the first time and said something that was a bit of an eye opener. The old man's from north Africa, came here in the 60's, married a white girl much to the horror of her parents! My friend's reaction when he saw the old man was "but he's a darkie!".

A few years later another kid started calling me a "Paki" as he found out that the old man was a foreigner. He stuck with that "nickname" for a good year, you know, because it was so clever (that's me being sarcastic in case it went over your head)

So forgive me if I find the suggestion that immigrants shouldn't be allowed in, or that they should be sent home as they live ten to a room so they can afford to live to be a distasteful viewpoint. To people who think like that we're all darkies and I choose to mock them in the way that the more enlightened people mocked them through characters like Eddie Booth back in the 70's.

I find your faux outrage and/or your picking up on a word that you read out of context (deliberately or by accident) so you can score a point equally distasteful. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove but good luck with it anyway.

As an aside I recently bumped into a guy I was at school with who is still in touch with the kid who came up with that very witty Paki nickname (more sarcasm). He asked whether I wanted to meet up with them for a beer. I decided that life was too short to see whether the ignorant **** had got any wiser with age.

 

Typical racist response to justify their racism.

I don't see anyone on here or in Brexit proposing what you've invented to justify your racist outburst.

Plus, you have no idea of my background to know what my own experiences are.

 

Cameron has claimed all kinds of apocalyptic doom if the UK leaves the EU, from economic to
no peace in our time. Yet he was prepared to do exactly that if the EU did not agree to his "terms"
a few months ago.

Which begs the question : what PRECISELY are these "terms" that have made all the difference ??
I have seen no media reports of any "terms" that are a seismic benefit to the UK / concession by the EU.
But I could have not been that attentive on said days.

 

Nice attempt at deflecting after rabidly jumping to an incorrect conclusion.

As for the bit in bold, your head must be firmly rooted up your arse.

Good luck voting with the far right!

 

Cameron was clearly bluffing. He had no intention of trying to take us out of the EU. Both he and other European leaders knew this referendum was coming and he was trying to say, "make this easier for me to sell to the UK people"

 

And it seems Boris has called him on it.
TBH, I am sufficiently vindictive to vote out to punish Cameron for his politnik hubris.

 

I'm still chilled.

No deflection needed, nor conclusions jumped at. You try to justify your racism because you're half white.

You then just keep bleating on, defending allegations about immigration that haven't even been made.

 

Once again, you believe some bits, but dismiss others because they conflict with your thinking.

 

A simple question! What would you rather have.
(a) A Brilliant heart or brain surgeon from South Africa, Canada or India!

(b) Another 6 or 7 hospital cleaners from Romania, Spain or Ethiopia!

It's not ****ing rocket science, vote Leave the EU!

 

What bits??...do you actually read what I write? Or just reply with some 'response'?...

 

WTF is all that, I lost interest after the first word

 

Dont go an about it, they will just throw the racist card at you, its better to say nothing.

 

Whatever people claim it is clearly xenophobia/bigotry that makes many people anti-EU. You can see this from UKIP's name. They inherently agree that a union of four countries (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) is a good thing and no-one counts as 'immigrants' the Scots that live in England etc. Buts somehow extending that idea to a wider group is dangerous and undemocratic. That can only be because they believe that the people in the wider group has undesirable properties which is a belief that has no basis in fact. Most of the Tories who campaign for Brexit are also pro the UK Union. It makes no sense...

 

Nigel would be proud of how you've waded in to defend Custard purely on the basis that you are going to vote the same way as him in a referendum. Nigel loves a compliant sheep!

Custard wouldn't disagree that he's made some inflammatory remarks about Muslims, said that London isn't British anymore or that Romanians sleep ten to a room which allows them to steal British jobs by working for less money. He wouldn't disagree because he made those comments and I suspect he stands by them.

Anyway, I know you're not a racist. You said so and you have a black dog. You see what I did there?

 

It was a story about how Little Englanders raise their kids to be as ignorant about and bigoted against foreigners as they are.

 

This about tops the lot for Xenophobic rubbish! Congratulation! You continue to excel yourself!...

 

Go see what they are doing in Syria, and many other "Islamic" counties and how they treat women and non Muslims.
Is that what any normal person would want?
Its a hateful death cult.

But thats for another thread not about voting in/out the EU