Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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this is the problem with people who lie. people know they cant be trusted.
and they have to come up with all sorts of reasons about why they can't prove what they said
in the end they get so confused they dont understand what is right or wrong, what is logical and what is illogical, what is a lie and what is truth

... is this a direct reference to Ian Duncan-Smith's published educational profile? and or the 'confusion' surrounding his wife's 'salary' whilst leading the Tories?

... give me a man with good, old fashioned, 'back to basics' victorian values anytime ... you knew where you stood with John Major ... "Stand there Edwina ... nix down ... bend over ..."

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... is this a direct reference to Ian Duncan-Smith's published educational profile? and or the 'confusion' surrounding his wife's 'salary' whilst leading the Tories?

... give me a man with good, old fashioned, 'back to basics' victorian values anytime ... you knew where you stood with John Major ... "Stand there Edwina ... nix down ... bend over ..."

:emoticon-0136-giggl

Sensible woman for a Sensible man!
 
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What religion am I alleged to be referring to Tobes, tell us.
The same one you've referred to in similar totally disrespectful and offensive terms on a number of occasions on this site would be my guess like.

You wrote it, so why are you asking me btw?
 
Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent is an interesting read for this - it's a bit dated now, but a lot of his points are still relevant. As you say, I don't want to go down the conspiracy theory avenue, but you need to remember that media organisations are massive conglomerates - only multi-billionaires or multinationals can afford to run a media organisation. You can't do it on a shoestring or on donations. As a result people like Rupert Murdoch (Times, Sky News, Sun), the Barclay Brothers (The Telegraph, The Spectator), Richard Desmond (Daily Express, Channel 5 News), Lord Rothemere (Daily Mail, Metro, London Evening Standard) and Trinity Mirror (Daily Mirror, The People) control practically all the press in the country - interestingly the readership of right wing titles is around 14m before you include the free Metro, for left wing titles it's 2-3m. All are called the MSM - Main Stream Media

But these conglomerates are reliant on 1) other multinationals to advertise in them, as this is what pays for the titles - so they work hand in hand with the multinationals (it's one reason you see so little bad press about Coca Cola or Nestle) and 2) the Government - for access to information, interviews and press releases ect.

But the Government (in particular) and the other multinationals also depend on the MSM to get their messages out. In this country the Government is even dependant on the MSM to get elected, as no party has gotten elected without the support of Rupert Murdoch in the last 35 years!

To answer your question, if you can keep the populace fearing some 'other' be they Muslims, Communists, blacks, immigrants, young 'hoodies', druggies, terrorists, lazy benefit cheats ect then you can keep them distracted while their civil liberties are taken away (Snoopers Bill, British Bill of Rights, Terrorism Act, Trade Unions Act ect) and while more power and money is transferred to the rich, ie those who own the multinationals - tax breaks for the rich, austerity programmes designed to make the poor poorer and the rich richer, deregulation of the industries (look at how Cameron did the opposite of the Leveson enquiry recommendations to empower the press and increase press monopolies).

Agreed. Noam Chomsky was one of a few I had in mind when I posted. He has produced some really thought producing stuff, if 'stuff' is an appropriate word.
 
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... is this a direct reference to Ian Duncan-Smith's published educational profile? and or the 'confusion' surrounding his wife's 'salary' whilst leading the Tories?

... give me a man with good, old fashioned, 'back to basics' victorian values anytime ... you knew where you stood with John Major ... "Stand there Edwina ... nix down ... bend over ..."

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Corbyn and Abbott. :emoticon-0119-puke:
 
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I never said any specific religion, you assume too much, so I ask again which religion am I suppose to be on about?
**** off Custard, you're not clever enough to try and back slide out of that one, you know full well what you were referring to and in the context of a post about the Nice bombings, and your previous utterances about the same religion, it hardly takes Poirot to figure it out
 
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Corbyn and Abbott. :emoticon-0119-puke:

... hmmmmm .... perhaps I missed the bit where Jeremy Corbyn was Prime Minister and admonishing the country on proper moral values? <laugh>

Notice Peter is very quiet on this one? <laugh> ...

Meanwhile at the Labour party .. they were discussing some politics stuff ...... whilst John was continuing to postion Edwina on the Front bench ... back bench ... and even in the Cabinet :emoticon-0136-giggl
 
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