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Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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  1. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

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    You are clearly sponsored by Captain ****wit!..in fact, you most probably are him!...
     
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  2. DMD

    DMD Eh? Forum Moderator

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    And the needle returns to the start of the track...

    A consequence of the EU policy is that it favours predominantly white countries over predominantly black ones. No ranting or obfuscation is that true or false?
     
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  3. DMD

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    Gosh.
     
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  4. Tobes

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    <laugh>

    No it doesn't at all.

    The entire premise of freedom of movement within the member states is nothing to do with countries outside the European Union you clown, whether black, white, yellow or brown. It doesn't differentiate on the basis of race, colour or creed within the member states, it's an open border policy, nothing more, nothing less.
     
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  5. DMD

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    And again the needle returns to the start of the track...

    A consequence of the EU policy is that it favours predominantly white countries over predominantly black ones. No ranting or obfuscation is that true or false?
     
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  6. NSIS

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    It favours other EU countries. Which is why it's called The European Union! <doh>
     
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  7. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    I see the usual suspect throw the race card around again.
     
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  8. FosseFilberto

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    I wouldn't normally do this ... but it's "you're" :)
     
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  9. DMD

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    Sad isn't it. They have their own definition of it too.

    It's no longer effective as a technique to stop debate as it simply points out that they've run out of valid arguments.

    The lazy labelling was a factor in why people voted leave.
     
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  10. I'mBetterThanYouIWentTo..

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    Slight tangent - but try telling an ethnic Russian in Latvia (a Russian speaking Latvian) that they have freedom of movement and regardless of race etc they benefit from the Treaty of Rome....for the vast majority they don't.

    An earlier post asks the question about peace and stability should the EU fail especially with a resurgent Russia;one of NATOs biggest concerns is the risk posed to its Eastern borders as a result of the treatment of ethnic Russians in the Baltic (inc Poland) states and the opportunity this gives to hybrid tactics (as seen in the Ukraine) being used.

    NATO raises these concerns however the EU continues to refuse to make no approach to tackle this with its Baltic member states.
     
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  11. Tobes

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    It's a false statement and a completely false narrative.

    As it doesn't discriminate at all. It makes no difference whether a non EU country is predominantly Black, White, Yellow or Brown, the fact that those states are not part of the EU is what matters, what part of that is failing to permeate?

    It's not a policy that discriminates, it's an agreement that allows free movement of people within member states, an open border policy for EU citizens, that's it.
     
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  12. DMD

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    You haven't proven your claim that it's a false statement.

    Have another go.

    A consequence of the EU policy is that it favours predominantly white countries over predominantly black ones.
     
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    One for Dutch and Tobes.....

    Dutch

    I get what saying but can see how our own immigration policy mirrors your point....how many countries with a predominantly white population require a visa for the purpose of their visit before their citizens can even board a flight or ferry bound for the UK?

    Tobes

    How many EU/EEA member states have a predominantly non white population?

    Both arguments have their flaws....
     
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  14. Tobes

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    The Latvian issue is to do with their own naturalisation laws post their independence from the Soviet Union does it not?

    Not sure of the relevance of that to the discussion at hand tbh.
     
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  15. NSIS

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    It doesn't matter one jot what colour the majority of the population of these countries is. It's called The European Union!! It therefore allows free movement of the citizens of those member states.
     
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    Not really are you saying that an ethnic Latvian and Russian born in Soviet Latvia should be treated differently in an EU Latvia based on ethnic, cultural and language differences - that sounds like racism and a hinderance of their freedom of movement under the Treaty of Rome.

    An ethnic Russian who is a Latvian citizen should have the same rights of any other EU citizen shouldn't they?

    If you see no relevance than this isn't really a discussion.
     
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    I don't need to have another go, as your basic premise is completely wrong.

    YOU are stating that the EU policy discriminates against 'black' countries, for this to be deliberate discrimination there'd have to be different treatment for non EU countries who are 'white'.

    YOU are the one making the ridiculous assertion therefore the burden of proof is yours love, that's how this works.

    You've ****ing buried yourself on this one, as your pig headed refusal to admit being wrong on anything has seen you plough on with this as opposed to merely highlighting the potential advantage that non EU immigration to the UK might bring post Brexit. But no, despite being laughed at by all and sundry for trying to portray free movement as 'racist' you can't back down from your original daft comment.

    You're **** at this
     
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  18. I'mBetterThanYouIWentTo..

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    Totally agree but others are focusing on colour.
     
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  19. Tobes

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    I'm saying that the issue is a Latvian issue, it's their naturalisation policy that has caused this, yes?

    The EU should put pressure on them to sort it, but as I understand the issue (and please correct me if my recollection of this issue is wrong) the people you're referring to are currently classed as 'without citizenship' due to Latvia's refusal to naturalise them post their split from the Soviet Union.

    It's therefore not got a direct correlation with the issue of fundamental racism against 'black countries' that the Hull bloke is arguing is supposedly fact.
     
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  20. DMD

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    Nope, you are adding bits to the question. I can see why you're avoiding the answer, but just to make sure it's clear, the question I asked is:

    A consequence of the EU policy is that it favours predominantly white countries over predominantly black ones. True or false?

    For the sake of clarity, as you're clearly struggling, I'll reword it slightly;

    A consequence of the EU policy is that it favours countries that are predominantly white over countries that are predominantly black. True or false?


    That statement is patently true. You're answering different questions, which I could ask once you've crossed this first one that you're desperate to avoid. I could also add a few links to people involved that also liable to laugh at your desperate attempts to avoid answering a question that shows the gaping hole in your position.
     
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