Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Your determination to be never wrong, is amusing, especially as you're so poor at it.

 

Ah the old selective quote, out of context and aimed solely to deflect.

Firstly, I stated a fact in the number of deaths reducing in the workplace by 2/3rds in 24 years, the other fact is that 41 out of the 65 pieces of H&S legislation passed during the same period have come from the EU, however Mr Daft **** from Hull claims there's no correlation between the 2.....

Let me help you out with some more quotes from the TUC report that concludes as follows;

In recent years, EU-led improvements in health and safety protection have been more

limited than in the past, but the overall contribution of EU regulations on health and

safety to the UK workforce is substantial. As shown by the recent evaluation of EU

regulations, the overall package of directives is practical, fit for purpose, and, more

importantly, effective.

It is clear that EU membership continues to deliver wide-ranging protections to UK

workers, and the UK Government should not only continue to be part of the European

process, but should more actively engage and support an improved and revitalised

package of measured aimed at tackling the huge burden of occupational illnesses that

are being experienced both in Britain and across the EU.

At the same time, the European Commission needs to expand its work programme to

include new regulatory initiatives on health and safety to help make the case to British
workers for remaining in the EU. Further work should be done at both Commission

level, and by EU-OSHA, on developing the evidence base for the benefits of EU

membership on workers’ safety, health and well-being, as well as on living standards

and equality in all member states, and that the findings be used to make the case for

strong, effective, regulation on workers’ rights across Europe.

It doesn't say that H&S impinges on small business at all, it states that the Tories have continually pushed for less regulation and as a direct result the number of pieces of EU legislation has been falling. It also paints a grim picture for what the Tories would do if left to their own devices with H&S legislation.


EU regulations also forced the UK to strengthen the regulations on one of the most

dangerous industries, construction, because they have been inconsistent with EU law16.

Strong regulation have a major impact on workplace culture and an exit from the EU

could allow the UK Government to seriously reduce the protection we have in the UK.

If employers see a strong, effective, set of regulations on health and safety they are more

likely to take the issue seriously. If however, the message coming from Government is

that we need to remove protection, employers will believe that what they are doing is

already more than enough and the 20,000-plus deaths a year and 2 million people who

suffer ill-health because of work will be seen as being acceptable

You're a spectacular idiot. So intent on finding fault with anything EU related that you're blindly trying to argue that black is white on an issue that is widely accepted as being an area that EU influence has been positive. But no, Daft Dutch the know all, know nothing has to try and set out to disprove the notion, on an issue that he patently knows jack **** about and yet has to try and force his nonsense point home for the 'win' despite being vacuously wrong.

 

Royalty nominated him. Any more crap from you and its to the tower.

A sensible post from a sensible royal.

 

Shares and currency rise now May will be PM

Nobody liked "call me Dave"

 

Leadsom is a ****, a clueless one at that. No wonder the markets have decided that her being bounced out is good news.

 

That is true, but I guess, May can get the Brexit started to settle the City one way or another.

 

... sensible party speak for "right" ???

 

Not until she's sorted the legal issues relating to the invoking of article 50 she can't.

She can't risk invoking that article herself and it then being challenged in the courts, that could take years to resolve.

I can't see how she can risk that call, it'll therefore have to go before parliament in November time imo. That could be interesting.

 

No melt down, just a normal rise time for me.

Come on, Treble, you set yourself up as someone in the know, someone of principle and all I have done is offer you a very fair opportunity for you to back up the allegation you made against me. I don't know about you but I consider making allegations of bigotry against folk a serious matter and not to be done lightly.

Copy and paste the post where you say I supported anything bigoted by Peter Saxton - or, for that matter, anyone else (although you have been consistent in your claim that it was by Peter Saxton).

I am not interested in your argument with Peter Saxton, he will respond as he sees fit. I am interested your allegation against me, so now justify your own position in this. Post or reply the post your are referring to; I don't know how it could be any simpler. Failure to do so can only be taken that there is nothing to post, that your allegation was false and that you have simply continued your mistake by constantly posting a lie to support your mistake. Admit you made a mistake and that is an end to it for me.

I am not crying, I do not need to grow up, you know what you need to do - everyone knows what you need to do, there is no hiding place, Treble. Post or apology, which one is it?

 

Not really.

 

Is that it? We'll leave that one there then....

 

It's more than enough.

 

@Treble to be fair to Fez, i think he's been pretty moderate in all this. Whilst he has his own views and had his own spat with NSIS and is a brexiter, he's been okay in all this alongside pieguts.

Saxton is a joke
Custards definitely on the WUM
Hull started off okay but has hardened his position possibly because Tobes is being standard Tobes and Stan is being Stan.

 

Yes she can (parliament is sovereign), but may go to parliament with it, as she will probably get full support of her party to pass it

 

Mate, he's a know it all that knows **** all. He keeps getting his arse handed to him on various subjects, but being the pig headed idiot he is, he just keeps coming back for more.

 

Just my view, tbh i was referring to the coloured/darkies thing and the defending of bigotry.

Your spat was an ongoing mess which i pretty much skimmed

 

But he wasn't forced, in anyway, to resign. He stated, before the referendum, he would not resign, the BBC's Laura Keunssberg made reference to that earlier today. He backed the Remain group and lost the vote. He decided he was not able to steer the country, the government and his party through the Leave process. He decided to resign, many were surprised, some were shocked, some kind of expected it. The key thing is that he had an option other than resigning. There was no external agency forcing him to resign, he could have continued, it was his choice, nothing more than than. It was a good choice, under the circumstances.

 

I dont think the Remainers are able to understand explanations.

 

I wonder whether the Labour Party will have an election or will Eagle be the only one standing to be leader.

 

I wonder if the Labour Party will try to rewrite the leadership rules because they seem to have two sentences that are contradictory.