Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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Safc83 said:
6 attacks in a week, out of a population of 65 million, not even 1 a day. Get the feeling this is something else being wildly exaggerated and blown out of all proportion by the remain camp?

I do not justify any one of the attacks, mind. I hope they are caught and punished by law. No need for it and it doesn't help the leave camp...

Edit: Just read 6 attacks, per day. Still blown out of all proportion with figures like a '150%' increase. I will also say again, hate crimes always go up after a big event and usually they die down, hopefully this will happen again.
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Tobes said:
And of course they wouldn't have any self interest in that entire premise would they....

Freedom of movement within the EU isn't racist, that's it. Move on,
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You seem to be having a funny little argument all of your own. It's kind of cute. Pointless, but cute.
 
Son of Stan said:
Isn't any increase a sad reflection on what's happening in society right now? The far right feel empowered as they've apparently got their country back which seemingly gives them the right to abuse anyone who they consider to be a bit too foreign.

I suspect Pete that you'd be livid if someone noticed your wife's accent and told her to **** off home.
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Don't you like the thought of your country getting its spine back at long last?
 
Smirnoffpriest said:
I have to ask - what the hell is a barmpot? is that a predictive text error? So you don't think that IS is right wing?

Far Right-Wing is usually fervently holding traditional values, resisting change or modernising, dislike or even hate of outsiders, being anti-immigrants, seeing them as a threat to their culture. It leads to violence against minority groups and violence against groups based on their perceived racial shortcomings or threat to that nation/religion/group.

Both the Nazi's and IS are right-wing, as are the BNP, English Defence League, True Finns, KKK, the Freedom Party in Austria and another Freedom Party in the Netherlands, the National Front in France, Golden Dawn in Greece, Sweden Democrats, Al Qaeda. But notice that a lot of these will have differing goals and ideologies and the popularity of some may have a direct link to the creation and popularity of others. For example the reports and threat of ISIS has helped rise of far-right groups in this country.

I never claimed that ISIS are simple or that they are just simple. And I think it is dangerous to underestimate right-wing extremism by saying you can 'pigeon-hole' a group into that term. Some far right-wing groups are extremely well set up, funded and organised - look at Al Qaeda. Hell the Nazis took over Europe and most of Africa and almost the whole world. Franco took over the whole of Spain and Morocco, Mussolini took over Italy and almost helped the Nazi's win the war.

It's a shame you haven't seen the reports I have seen and some of the sickening examples I've heard about, if you had you might think differently. But I am not exaggerating or lying - I have heard of these things. Indeed the increase in race hatred attacks has been widely reported in the press. There are many people on social media saying they know someone who has been racially abused since the referendum. I suppose it's true that the press could be lying and that the examples I have seen/heard of are isolated events and that people just didn't report racial abuse as much before the referendum, but either way the crimes that have specifically happened are disgusting and are a problem and aren't acceptable. This certainly isn't what my grandfather fought for. He fought fascists - he certainly didn't accept them.
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A simple Google:

barmpot. Noun. (plural barmpots) (northern England, informal, pejorative) Idiot; an objectionable and foolish person.

I know what right wing is.

I think the term right-wing is now challenged to encompass all extremism. I find it strangely at odds with itself that political and social commentators describe the so-called right wing IS as being the key factor fuelling the growth of right wing extremism, don't you? Besides that I don't recall seeing any serious political or social commentator describe them as being right wing; have you? I would be interested if you have.

How on earth does questioning how IS is pigeon-holed underestimate it? You do realise that is simply daft, don't you. If you think I underestimate IS then you need to think again.

As I said, yes there are examples of abuse, there was bound to be a spike, it's not good, it's not clever and it should and is being dealt with. It's also nothing new, unfortunately. I am simply not so sure it is as big as some folk are making it out to be; some out of ignorance, some out of deliberate manipulation.

By the way, you have no idea what reports I may have seen, although it would appear that I can Google better than most Barmpots! :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
Fez said:
A simple Google:

barmpot. Noun. (plural barmpots) (northern England, informal, pejorative) Idiot; an objectionable and foolish person.

I know what right wing is.

I think the term right-wing is now challenged to encompass all extremism. I find it strangely at odds with itself that political and social commentators describe the so-called right wing IS as being the key factor fuelling the growth of right wing extremism, don't you? Besides that I don't recall seeing any serious political or social commentator describe them as being right wing; have you? I would be interested if you have.

How on earth does questioning how IS is pigeon-holed underestimate it? You do realise that is simply daft, don't you. If you think I underestimate IS then you need to think again.

As I said, yes there are examples of abuse, there was bound to be a spike, it's not good, it's not clever and it should and is being dealt with. It's also nothing new, unfortunately. I am simply not so sure it is as big as some folk are making it out to be; some out of ignorance, some out of deliberate manipulation.

By the way, you have no idea what reports I may have seen, although it would appear that I can Google better than most Barmpots! :emoticon-0105-wink:
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Maybe by the time of the next referendum he may have learned how to google
 
armchairblue said:
Don't you like the thought of your country getting its spine back at long last?
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I don't think we lacked a spine (that's Nigel propaganda) and think there was a better way to gradually exit the EU. I'm not pro EU, I'm pro a considered plan and a strategy. A lot of people are going to have a rough couple of years because there is no plan or strategy for Brexit.
 
Safc83 said:
Oh, I've grasped that.

What I'm saying is the remain voters are using it to hype up the racism, since Brexit. You denied this, after yourself, as a remain voter, put it on here <doh>

HIAG is right, you are a dope.
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No-one is hyping up anything

The increase in hate crime has been dramatic since the vote, it's a ****ing fact

You and others like you say you deplore the acts of racism on one breath, and on the next seem to want to lift the carpet and brush it straight underneath.

The far right have seen the vote as giving them some form of validation, the previously fairly well hidden racists have decided that it's now open season. Shooting the messenger and challenging the fact that it's happening isn't what should he happening here.
 
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