Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

I live the way the old bill is slowly reading her placard to see if it might cause offence to somebody!...

 

Wish she would be clearer about her feelings

 

As an aside, isn't there a touch of irony in the fact that Brexit means we will soon have an unelected PM? After all, the Leave campaign was against being governed by unelected politicians.

 

You're a teacher?

Isn't @HRH Custard VC a teacher?

 

Don't claim to know anything about what Scotland wants or doesn't want, but came across this and thought it made sense;

Interesting to note that Ms Sturgeon is taking out the spectre of indyref2 from her cupboard. There are some in nationalist quarters who actually even think there is an inevitability that it'll happen.

Of course, the problems in effecting indyref2 are legion. For Ms Sturgeon to deliver an "independent" Scotland as a member of the EU (an oxymoron itself), she has already herself acknowledged that there is only a two year window of opportunity to do so, (that is between Westminster invoking Article 50 and the UK's final exit).

However, where her headache deepens is, even if a Section 30 order was granted to allow a referendum to take place, Ms Sturgeon would need to do a number of things to ease Scotland's place on the five year waiting list.

She would need to commit an "independent" Scotland to both the Euro and the Schengen travel zone, (in fact, Scotland would have to first establish its own currency and prove its stability before even adopting the Euro, otherwise Scotland would be unable to set its own monetary policy, or make its own trade-offs with fiscal policy). She would need to bring down Scotland's £14.9 billion deficit to less than 3% GDP. It currently stands at 9.7% GDP. This means that she would need to find over £11 billion from somewhere. She would need to establish a centralised bank with three years' business under its belt, to show its solvency and to assure the EU that it wouldn't be heir to any future huge bailouts. Mr Swinney found a centralised bank to be wholly unaffordable in 2014, hence their currency argument fell apart. The Bank of England would not be an "independent" Scotland's Lender of Last Resort without some form of currency arrangement.

In essence, we would join the back of a five year waiting list, perhaps after Mr Juncker lifts the five year freeze on applicants that he imposed last year; the Scottish Government would have to find well in excess of £11 billion to bring down Scotland's deficit, to meet EU membership application criteria before applying and would need to spend several billion more to establish a centralised bank (that would have zero experience in monetary policy) and start trading on Day 1. Then there would be the insurmountable problem of working against current EU members who very definitely would veto an "independent" Scotland's application. If only one vetoes, the processing of membership cannot take place.

"Independence" isn't coming any time soon for Scotland, and neither is EU membership, as Ms Sturgeon well knows, especially as the EU commission today announced that "Scotland is part of the UK and constitutional arrangements apply. We will not speculate further". The current threats that she is issuing will sooner or later expose the deceit at the heart of her rhetoric.

 

And the EU politniks are telling us today how fast the UK should get the hell out,
when the laws THEY MADE say we have up to 24 months.

 

I'm sure a lot of that's true. I would only point out that the EU admitted Greece, who were in no fit state to join.

Seems like Brussels makes exceptions for those it wants, for whatever reason..,

 

It'd not possible, and they must know it.
Ok, parliament could pass a new law tomorrow revoking the treaty and technically we'd be out. But that's like granting a divorce before custody of kids, division of assets, etc has been settled.

 

I think they mean start now, not wait to get a new idiot PM in October

 

Do you think they're pissed at us and might not be overly keen to bend over when we go to "negotiate" the exit?

 

Well, we pissed all over Juncker's bonfire. You can bet he ain't too happy about that!...

 

To judge from the poll at the top of this thread not606 posters as a group are more intelligent than the UK electorate because we voted decisively to remain. We should take over the governance of the UK

 

From the site that I "swiped" the piece from also had lots of comments associated with it. I did not realise that Ms Sturgeon was that unpopular in Scotland. Working with a Scottish draughtsman at the moment, I will definaytely be bringing up her popularity with him, Monday!

 

I think the EU, like all the systems I build in my day job, can only truly be judged
when not operating under "fair weather" conditions.

This week comes under such conditions, and the system seems to be quite a nasty
piece of work at the moment eh.

 

That would be interesting. The SNP
Has been the top party there for a while now. Ok, that was under Salmond, but he was a smug ****, if ever there was one.
I don't know why Sturgeon would be more unpopular!?

 

Again I might be wrong, I always thought Treble was the teacher.

Custard a teacher, that's a really scary thought. I am genuinely frightened by that possibility.

 

I thought Custard posted the other day that he had to stop cutting and pasting fascist propaganda to spend some time grading.

 

Again agree and that's why I'm a eurosceptic. I really enjoy watching my money (and by that I mean the countries who contribute) being used for some kind of social experiment, which cannot be sustainable in the long term.

 

Just out of interest... How many remain voters, on here, want another 'in out' referendum on the eu?

 

Me most certainly. Leave lied and have admitted that they did